Comments Thread For: David Haye, if Shoulder Recovers, Open To Fighting Again

[Szef]

The twerp has QUIT training camps more often than he has had fights

[LacedUp]

A pretty good CW and a decent HW I won't argue with that. Simply because he has done nothing at all to prove he is as great as many of his fans believe him to be. Again, I believe they are confused by all the hype that surrounds David Haye.

You also talk about the supposed double standard of Wlad fans down playing Haye's career. Unless of course Wlad fans are referring to Haye being the best win on his record, or one of them. However, and I guess somewhat to your surprise, it seems that all of the Wlad fans on this thread seem to disagree with you. So, I find it somewhat hilarious that there really is no double standard. With that said I will tell you how I see the situation.

I was really hoping that Haye would somewhat be the successor to Wlad. I was hoping he would at least comeback and somewhat dominate after Wlad left the scene. Simply because it would look good for Wlad. I was also pulling for Haye to knock the snot out of Fury. But as it stands now, and if Haye never fights again, he will simply be to Wlad what Jeff Lacy was to Joe Calzaghe's career. A decent win but nothing really special.

Since you mentioned it what exactly was Haye's tactics or plan in the Valuev fight? Did he plan to bore everyone to sleep to include the Beast? If that was the plan it really worked. But honestly I don't think he did enough to break his hand or for that matter even win the fight. I actually thought Holyfield did much better against Valuev and I also didn't think that he had won, and I was always a big time Holyfield fan.

As far as Wlad's losses are concerned you missed my point. My point was, but I believe you already know what it was, is that Wlad's supposed glass jaw is in my opinion a myth. That is it no more or no less. And you can continue to argue how great Haye's career has been. But, I truly believe that unless he comes back and does enough to change some opinions most knowledgeable boxing fans, regardless if they are Wlad fans or not, will simply disagree with you or anyone else that makes such a statement.

Of course many people were surrounded by hype. But was hype not part of the equation with Povetkin? Take away his arguable loss to Marco Huck and the fact that he's never really looked devastatingly good. He clearly did not have the same skills as a David Haye, although he was a solid competitor.

Of course they are disagreeing in this thread! - No surprise there. Go back to some of the Klitschko loving threads and see the same people mentioning Haye time after time as a "slick, hardhitting heavyweight who many people thought would KO Wlad". It's laughable and there are clear double standards. As I keep coming back to, if he's such a nobody and a clown why are the people posting in threads about him mostly Klitschko fans. The fight is nearly 3 years in the past - I mean, don't you think it's time to get over it? Is it because old man thompson did a far better job on Haye than Klitschko did?

Haye was never going to become the successor to anything. He was planning on going up and knocking Wlad out, taking the titles and retire. That was his plans. Many people have said it was a pr stunt, but if you go back and watch his fight vs Lasse Johansen or Fragomeni I think, in the post interview he says he wants to retire before 31 - and that had always been his plan. That was clearly waaay before any Klitschko was on his mind. With regards to his standing on Wlad's resume, what exactly has Chris Byrd done before/after wlad? What about Thompson? Povetkin? etc. Byrd has beaten one solid contender in his time and that was against David Tua in '01 - not counting Holyfield who was clearly past his best. That's it. So I understand your point, but I don't agree. I would argue that Haye's career accomplishments in the pro game, is quite clearly on par with or succeeds (in some cases) the likes of Byrd, Thompson, Peter, Povetkin etc. It can be debated who has the better resume out of all.

With regards to Valuev, I think it was a clear 8-4 to Haye. I simply can't understand how you could think Valuev won that fight when landing a mere 64 punches in the whole fight. That's 5 punches per round. He was hitting air all night long. And even though Haye wasn't particularly more active, though landing closer to 100 shots - they were clearly better and sharper. So I can't agree at all. With regards to Holyfield - I think the performance was similar, yet just because Holyfield supposedly beat him better, why does that mean Haye didn't beat him? His tactics were clearly to hit and run.

I have never said Haye's career was great - I don't understand why you say that. I've said in this very thread that it was a case of talking a lot and delivering little. Wlad's chin is not a glass chin, but he's certainly not got a rock solid chin that's for sure. Why do you think he hugs all the time? He's adapted to tug his chin in. He's doing the smart thing, sort of what LL did as well albeit to a much much lesser extent. You could see he got rocked a little by Wach in the 7th or 8th round and same by Haye in the 3rd when his knees buckled 3 inches and he went on to grab.

LACEDUP has made a complete and utter fool of himself. Another victory over him and ive barely even debated with the moron.

coming from the guy claiming Nathan Cleverly would be the greatest LHW of all times, I think you best keep quiet on this one son.

Or go start a racist thread or whatever it is you do on here.

[Ravens Fan]

Of course many people were surrounded by hype. But was hype not part of the equation with Povetkin? Take away his arguable loss to Marco Huck and the fact that he's never really looked devastatingly good. He clearly did not have the same skills as a David Haye, although he was a solid competitor.

Of course they are disagreeing in this thread! - No surprise there. Go back to some of the Klitschko loving threads and see the same people mentioning Haye time after time as a "slick, hardhitting heavyweight who many people thought would KO Wlad". It's laughable and there are clear double standards. As I keep coming back to, if he's such a nobody and a clown why are the people posting in threads about him mostly Klitschko fans. The fight is nearly 3 years in the past - I mean, don't you think it's time to get over it? Is it because old man thompson did a far better job on Haye than Klitschko did?

Haye was never going to become the successor to anything. He was planning on going up and knocking Wlad out, taking the titles and retire. That was his plans. Many people have said it was a pr stunt, but if you go back and watch his fight vs Lasse Johansen or Fragomeni I think, in the post interview he says he wants to retire before 31 - and that had always been his plan. That was clearly waaay before any Klitschko was on his mind. With regards to his standing on Wlad's resume, what exactly has Chris Byrd done before/after wlad? What about Thompson? Povetkin? etc. Byrd has beaten one solid contender in his time and that was against David Tua in '01 - not counting Holyfield who was clearly past his best. That's it. So I understand your point, but I don't agree. I would argue that Haye's career accomplishments in the pro game, is quite clearly on par with or succeeds (in some cases) the likes of Byrd, Thompson, Peter, Povetkin etc. It can be debated who has the better resume out of all.

With regards to Valuev, I think it was a clear 8-4 to Haye. I simply can't understand how you could think Valuev won that fight when landing a mere 64 punches in the whole fight. That's 5 punches per round. He was hitting air all night long. And even though Haye wasn't particularly more active, though landing closer to 100 shots - they were clearly better and sharper. So I can't agree at all. With regards to Holyfield - I think the performance was similar, yet just because Holyfield supposedly beat him better, why does that mean Haye didn't beat him? His tactics were clearly to hit and run.

I have never said Haye's career was great - I don't understand why you say that. I've said in this very thread that it was a case of talking a lot and delivering little. Wlad's chin is not a glass chin, but he's certainly not got a rock solid chin that's for sure. Why do you think he hugs all the time? He's adapted to tug his chin in. He's doing the smart thing, sort of what LL did as well albeit to a much much lesser extent. You could see he got rocked a little by Wach in the 7th or 8th round and same by Haye in the 3rd when his knees buckled 3 inches and he went on to grab.

Are you really trying to claim that there is or ever was as much hype with anything to do with Povetkin or his career as compared to Haye? Simply put I believe that to be complete and utter nonsense.

Are you also claiming that many Wlad fans were claiming that Haye would knock him out? I am not going to say that it didn't happen, but if it did I am sure it was on a much smaller scale then you are trying to make it sound. I also would bet that it was mainly Haye fans making such statements and for what ever reason you are twisting it to benefit what ever your agenda happens to be. And if I am wrong please point me in the right direction so I can read all the supposed Wlad fans making such statements. For me personally the fight went just as I thought it would. And that was Wlad dominating from the outside with an occasional power shot thrown in.

I also have to ask why can't Wlad fans come join in on any thread about Haye? Do you just want to talk with fellow forum members that agree with you, wouldn't that be rather boring? As for Wlad he was only mentioned once on this thread before you mentioned the drugging incident. You are also mentioning Wlad as much if not even more so then any Wlad fan on this thread. As for getting over the Wlad-Haye fight why would Wlad fans have to get over it? After all Wlad won and won easily and I am more than pleased with the outcome. Honestly, it seems to me that you are the one that is having a hard getting past that fact. Try saying over and over again, "Its only a boxing match. Its only a boxing match." Maybe that will help you, as you said, put it behind you.

As for the Valuev fight it was close and I am having a hard time believing that Haye landed anywhere near 100 punches. I also don't put much faith into punch stats, I tend to trust what I see more so than anything else. I also have never seen any official punch stat numbers on that fight. I also watched the fight twice and I had to put the tv remote in the other room becasue the resistance to turn it off was way to strong. I even promised myself that I would never ever watch it again because it was complete torture to sit through it. I believe most believed that it was a close and hard to score fight and in fairness to Haye he may have landed close to 100 punches. I may have simply been asleep when he landed many of them and not realized it.

I am also sitting here wondering if you know Haye personally. If not how do you possibly have any idea what his plan was? Or better yet how can anyone tell when he is even telling the truth. I will also admit that I don't know Haye personally so I can only base what I know off of what he has said. Here goes.

He claimed he was going to retire at 31. Well he will be 34 on his next BD and he still hasn't officially retired. But, in fairness to him he was only 31 when he last fought. So, maybe this is just some kind of twisted game he is playing and he has actually been secretly retired since he beat Chisora. And since you want to dig up Haye's past comments to make a point. What about the claims he made after he beat Enzo to unify the CW title?

Haye claimed, and I am paraphrasing, that he was going to clean out the division starting at the top with the robotic brothers. So it was him himself that claimed he was going to be the successor. And what actually happened, do I really need to say it?

He fights the washed up Ruiz's and the never were anythings like the Harrison's of the division. And not only did he attempt the easier and softer way when he moved up he also decided that averaging one fight a year was a good idea. I have to ask how long do you believe it would take Haye to clean out the HW division by fighting once a year? He also stated that he would only comeback and fight a Klit bro and that went out the widow with just everything else he has said. With all that said I am not sure how Webster's defines the word fraud but I would bet that consistently lying has something to do with it.

As for saying "great" I was generalizing and speaking to all Haye fans that may feel that way. That is why I said Haye fans and not you, I thought that was obvious. After all this is a public forum and we are not the only ones reading our comments. I also said that Wlad's win over Haye was a decent one. Therefore, I believe you are confused because I never made a list and compared Wlad's wins as to which one is better as compared to the others. So, with that said, I believe that argument should be with who ever said it or made such a list. And as a Wlad fan I believe that in the long run that does affect his legacy.

What I am saying is what most fans say, and that is most of Wlad's wins are decent but he just doesn't have that Foreman and Frazier were to Ali type of fights. It didn't help that his own brother was the second best HW for most of his career. With that said I also don't believe that it was his fault ad he will still be inducted into the Hall of Fame someday. And there is little that Wlad detractors can do to change that fact. And I imagine even David Haye will be able to go visit the hall one day. That is as long as he buys a ticket at the front door. I promise that I am done.

[LacedUp]

Are you really trying to claim that there is or ever was as much hype with anything to do with Povetkin or his career as compared to Haye? Simply put I believe that to be complete and utter nonsense.

Are you also claiming that many Wlad fans were claiming that Haye would knock him out? I am not going to say that it didn't happen, but if it did I am sure it was on a much smaller scale then you are trying to make it sound. I also would bet that it was mainly Haye fans making such statements and for what ever reason you are twisting it to benefit what ever your agenda happens to be. And if I am wrong please point me in the right direction so I can read all the supposed Wlad fans making such statements. For me personally the fight went just as I thought it would. And that was Wlad dominating from the outside with an occasional power shot thrown in.

I also have to ask why can't Wlad fans come join in on any thread about Haye? Do you just want to talk with fellow forum members that agree with you, wouldn't that be rather boring? As for Wlad he was only mentioned once on this thread before you mentioned the drugging incident. You are also mentioning Wlad as much if not even more so then any Wlad fan on this thread. As for getting over the Wlad-Haye fight why would Wlad fans have to get over it? After all Wlad won and won easily and I am more than pleased with the outcome. Honestly, it seems to me that you are the one that is having a hard getting past that fact. Try saying over and over again, "Its only a boxing match. Its only a boxing match." Maybe that will help you, as you said, put it behind you.

As for the Valuev fight it was close and I am having a hard time believing that Haye landed anywhere near 100 punches. I also don't put much faith into punch stats, I tend to trust what I see more so than anything else. I also have never seen any official punch stat numbers on that fight. I also watched the fight twice and I had to put the tv remote in the other room becasue the resistance to turn it off was way to strong. I even promised myself that I would never ever watch it again because it was complete torture to sit through it. I believe most believed that it was a close and hard to score fight and in fairness to Haye he may have landed close to 100 punches. I may have simply been asleep when he landed many of them and not realized it.

I am also sitting here wondering if you know Haye personally. If not how do you possibly have any idea what his plan was? Or better yet how can anyone tell when he is even telling the truth. I will also admit that I don't know Haye personally so I can only base what I know off of what he has said. Here goes.

He claimed he was going to retire at 31. Well he will be 34 on his next BD and he still hasn't officially retired. But, in fairness to him he was only 31 when he last fought. So, maybe this is just some kind of twisted game he is playing and he has actually been secretly retired since he beat Chisora. And since you want to dig up Haye's past comments to make a point. What about the claims he made after he beat Enzo to unify the CW title?

Haye claimed, and I am paraphrasing, that he was going to clean out the division starting at the top with the robotic brothers. So it was him himself that claimed he was going to be the successor. And what actually happened, do I really need to say it?

He fights the washed up Ruiz's and the never were anythings like the Harrison's of the division. And not only did he attempt the easier and softer way when he moved up he also decided that averaging one fight a year was a good idea. I have to ask how long do you believe it would take Haye to clean out the HW division by fighting once a year? He also stated that he would only comeback and fight a Klit bro and that went out the widow with just everything else he has said. With all that said I am not sure how Webster's defines the word fraud but I would bet that consistently lying has something to do with it.

As for saying "great" I was generalizing and speaking to all Haye fans that may feel that way. That is why I said Haye fans and not you, I thought that was obvious. After all this is a public forum and we are not the only ones reading our comments. I also said that Wlad's win over Haye was a decent one. Therefore, I believe you are confused because I never made a list and compared Wlad's wins as to which one is better as compared to the others. So, with that said, I believe that argument should be with who ever said it or made such a list. And as a Wlad fan I believe that in the long run that does affect his legacy.

What I am saying is what most fans say, and that is most of Wlad's wins are decent but he just doesn't have that Foreman and Frazier were to Ali type of fights. It didn't help that his own brother was the second best HW for most of his career. With that said I also don't believe that it was his fault ad he will still be inducted into the Hall of Fame someday. And there is little that Wlad detractors can do to change that fact. And I imagine even David Haye will be able to go visit the hall one day. That is as long as he buys a ticket at the front door. I promise that I am done.

Mate, you are twisting my words here. I was actually trying to give you an educated response, but your narrow mind only reads what it wants to read.

Anyways, have a good night.

[Ravens Fan]

Mate, you are twisting my words here. I was actually trying to give you an educated response, but your narrow mind only reads what it wants to read.

Anyways, have a good night.

I have no problem comprehending English and if I was twisting your words it sure as he!! didn't take much of an effort. I guess that also means that you are not going to show me were any Wlad fans were claiming that Haye would knock him out. Why I am not surprised?

[slimshandy69]

Of course many people were surrounded by hype. But was hype not part of the equation with Povetkin? Take away his arguable loss to Marco Huck and the fact that he's never really looked devastatingly good. He clearly did not have the same skills as a David Haye, although he was a solid competitor.

Of course they are disagreeing in this thread! - No surprise there. Go back to some of the Klitschko loving threads and see the same people mentioning Haye time after time as a "slick, hardhitting heavyweight who many people thought would KO Wlad". It's laughable and there are clear double standards. As I keep coming back to, if he's such a nobody and a clown why are the people posting in threads about him mostly Klitschko fans. The fight is nearly 3 years in the past - I mean, don't you think it's time to get over it? Is it because old man thompson did a far better job on Haye than Klitschko did?

Haye was never going to become the successor to anything. He was planning on going up and knocking Wlad out, taking the titles and retire. That was his plans. Many people have said it was a pr stunt, but if you go back and watch his fight vs Lasse Johansen or Fragomeni I think, in the post interview he says he wants to retire before 31 - and that had always been his plan. That was clearly waaay before any Klitschko was on his mind. With regards to his standing on Wlad's resume, what exactly has Chris Byrd done before/after wlad? What about Thompson? Povetkin? etc. Byrd has beaten one solid contender in his time and that was against David Tua in '01 - not counting Holyfield who was clearly past his best. That's it. So I understand your point, but I don't agree. I would argue that Haye's career accomplishments in the pro game, is quite clearly on par with or succeeds (in some cases) the likes of Byrd, Thompson, Peter, Povetkin etc. It can be debated who has the better resume out of all.

With regards to Valuev, I think it was a clear 8-4 to Haye. I simply can't understand how you could think Valuev won that fight when landing a mere 64 punches in the whole fight. That's 5 punches per round. He was hitting air all night long. And even though Haye wasn't particularly more active, though landing closer to 100 shots - they were clearly better and sharper. So I can't agree at all. With regards to Holyfield - I think the performance was similar, yet just because Holyfield supposedly beat him better, why does that mean Haye didn't beat him? His tactics were clearly to hit and run.

I have never said Haye's career was great - I don't understand why you say that. I've said in this very thread that it was a case of talking a lot and delivering little. Wlad's chin is not a glass chin, but he's certainly not got a rock solid chin that's for sure. Why do you think he hugs all the time? He's adapted to tug his chin in. He's doing the smart thing, sort of what LL did as well albeit to a much much lesser extent. You could see he got rocked a little by Wach in the 7th or 8th round and same by Haye in the 3rd when his knees buckled 3 inches and he went on to grab.



coming from the guy claiming Nathan Cleverly would be the greatest LHW of all times, I think you best keep quiet on this one son.

Or go start a racist thread or whatever it is you do on here.

no I didn't I said who ever goes on to win out of kovalev and Ceverly would go on to be the greatest light heavy of all time. I predicted kovalev to win the fight and he did so.

Hes now a top ten p4p fighter and facing a potential big unification fight at the end of the year if he wins this match.

Looking quite good for my prediction, but keep losing mate.

[Weltschmerz]

Mate, you are twisting my words here. I was actually trying to give you an educated response, but your narrow mind only reads what it wants to read.

Anyways, have a good night.

Dammit you got schooled.

[LacedUp]

Dammit you got schooled.

Neither you or your two girlfriends would have the capacity to 'school' me in a discussion about boxing.

If you even dreamed of it, you'd better wake up and apologize.

[Weltschmerz]

Neither you or your two girlfriends would have the capacity to 'school' me in a discussion about boxing.

If you even dreamed of it, you'd better wake up and apologize.

Gosh, you have such an arrogance. Must be an English thing.

[LacedUp]

Gosh, you have such an arrogance. Must be an English thing.

Must be...