Did the Brandon Rios win really bring this much hype back to Pac?

[brick wall]

just imagine that rios is the new berto if that could help you sleep at night.

pac is already an established great fighter before he had that big bump in his career losing by ko to marquez. he may not be on floyd's level right now but he was once on a higher level than floyd. you can't say that about floyd's previous opponents.

it's not really just about beating rios but it's more about people wanting to see if pac still has some left on him and i think that he showed he still has what it takes to fight at a higher level and people believe that. don't know what's the big deal with that.

fans hyping pac with regards to floyd is more about their frustration that the fight did not happen when it mattered. it's not about whether they think they're still on the same level.

[DoktorSleepless]

I already addressed all those issues. I've already said Khan doesn't deserve it and the Bradley fight was a robbery.

If Pacquiao doesn't belong in the same sentence, nobody else does.

You said defeating Brandon Rios doesn't outshine those two facts, as if the Bradly robbery is something that needs to be outshined. You acknowledge the robbery, yet continue to treat it as a black mark on Pacquaio.

Pacquiao has built enough credibility that one loss doesn't suddenly erase everything he's done in his career. And I know Brandon Rios isn't the greatest fighter in the world, but you put him in with other top 140/147 pounder (excluding May), and I guarantee nobody else will take care of him anywhere near as dominantly as Pacquiao. That's all I needed to see to find out if Pacquiao is still Pacquiao.

[Furn]

It's more that he beat Bradley pretty handily and was beating JMM til he got careless and got caught with a once in a lifetime punch.

The Rios win just showed that KO hasn't had any major long term effects.

It's not like Pac got beaten up or outclassed he just got robbed and got caught with one big shot.

[AddiX]

I'm not really sure manny got much hype back from the rios clash.

But it was a fight he needed and a fight he needed to win, manny did what he needed to do.

Sometimes that's all that matters. Every fight can't be a ko, or a tough fight.

[The_Sandman]

If Pacquiao doesn't belong in the same sentence, nobody else does.

You said defeating Brandon Rios doesn't outshine those two facts, as if the Bradly robbery is something that needs to be outshined. You acknowledge the robbery, yet continue to treat it as a black mark on Pacquaio.

Whether I acknowledge it or not, the fact is, when people look at his record they are going to see that L next to his name. I'm not saying he lost. What I'm trying to say is, look how quickly people forgot about Abril beating Rios. The Ponce de Leon fight did nothing to Broner's career. You thing the Vera fight is going to do anything to Chavez's career? Probably not. He'll still probably fight Andre Ward within the year. The point is, no one is going to remember the fight. They will Wikepedia this **** and see an L next to their name.

[crazed_z06]

I believe that in boxing, a loss should set you back so you can climb back up. In another words...earn it. Getting to the grandest fight should mean something. (And I don't think ****ing Khan deserves it.) Broner's loss is going to set him back a lot. He needs to earn his way back up. But then again, it is boxing like you said. Money is primary. If you're down with it, then I guess to you he deserves it.

I agree that you normally should have to work yourself back up through the rankings.

The difference between Pac and Broner is Pac has already put in the work to rate a Floyd fight. Broner hasn't earned anything or really proved everything. He absolutely folded on his first test.

Pac has been in more wars than just about anyone other there right now and pretty much came on top of all of them. Even when he loses (to bradley), he actually wins. When he gets puts to sleep, it's because he got to wild on his way to stop his opponent.

Floyd says he's all about the money. Fact of the matter is even with the KO, Pac/Mayweather is still the biggest money fight to be made in boxing by far. Nothing even comes close.

[John Barron]

what hype?

that pactrads was just overjoyed like it was the second coming of hesus.

one of my buddies almost cried when he won and was going bat sht the entire fight. i almost didnt want to be friends with him anymore. I just sat there like yup.


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[mrpizza-nd_beer]

Fight after fight we've seen how tough Rios' chin was. Suddenly, because Pac can't put him away means Pac is done as a fighter?

Just to point out a few things unseen by the untrained eye...
1. Pac wasn't able to knock out Rios, and so was Dela Hoya too. -- faded Pac and Prime Pac couldn't knock out bigger men like young Rios and faded Dela Hoya?
2. Though there was no knockout, Pac beat both black and blue.
3. Both fights, Pac exhibited masterful boxing ability.
4. What scares fighters like those with F and M's to their name is that after Dela Hoya, Pac chomped on supposedly stronger and bigger fighters like Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito like a Honda lawnmower on lawn. Who knows what Pac will do to fighters post - Rios?

Comparing Rios and Dela Hoya is a stretch right? Look at 1-3 again because it's illogical yet true.

[DoktorSleepless]

Whether I acknowledge it or not, the fact is, when people look at his record they are going to see that L next to his name. I'm not saying he lost. What I'm trying to say is, look how quickly people forgot about Abril beating Rios. The Ponce de Leon fight did nothing to Broner's career. You thing the Vera fight is going to do anything to Chavez's career? Probably not. He'll still probably fight Andre Ward within the year. The point is, no one is going to remember the fight. They will Wikepedia this **** and see an L next to their name.

Who cares? You keep on mentioning something that doesn't matter. The number of people who saw the Pacquiao fight outnumber the ******s who will check boxrec 10 Million to 1. Nobody treats is as a loss. The media doesn't treat as a loss. The fans who would potentially buy a Mayweather vs Pacquiao don't treat as a loss. Maybe people 100 years from now will treat it as a loss, but as of right now, they're irrelevant.

The comparison between Broner/Ponce De Leon doesn't hold because nobody saw that fight. On the other hand, EVERYBODY saw the Pacquiao fight.

[crazed_z06]

Whether I acknowledge it or not, the fact is, when people look at his record they are going to see that L next to his name. I'm not saying he lost. What I'm trying to say is, look how quickly people forgot about Abril beating Rios. The Ponce de Leon fight did nothing to Broner's career. You thing the Vera fight is going to do anything to Chavez's career? Probably not. He'll still probably fight Andre Ward within the year. The point is, no one is going to remember the fight. They will Wikepedia this **** and see an L next to their name.

I have to disagree. Pac is not Chavez Jr. or Broner.

All casual fans I know who saw Pac/Bradley think he was massively robbed. Everyone who saw the KO recognizes dude was game and got caught with the perfect punch.

The fight still has massive value. The hype from the Rios fight is simply people saying, "See, I told you he wasnt done". Anyone who thought he was doesnt know **** about boxing.