Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[jetgizo]

To offer 0% of the PPV revenue is an insult when Pacquiao - at the time - was producing extremely high numbers on PPV.

By the same token, no other fighters were lining up to offer Mayweather the same kind of money he'd make from a Pacquaio fight.

That 0% of the PPV is a bunch of bull ****. That never came out of Floyds mouth. PAC stans just through that out there as part of their smear campaign as usual. Did you ever hear or read an interview that came directly from Floyd's mouth? 40 million guarantee doesn't mean 0 PPV revenue. In an interview I saw, I think it was HBOs "speaking out", Floyd says they never got to talk about the money on the back end. Floyd had absolutely zero problem giving Cotto and Canelo a split of the PPV revenue. Why would it change with Manny. Floyd's a reasonable business man.

[Pugilist95]

I've always though 50 cent said all of these things solely to piss off Floyd.

[datboydtrain]

So did I until I kept hearing floyd talk about Manny's IRS issues, and that he needs to fight other people first. Why does floyd care about who Manny fights? The biggest money fight was and continues to be with Pacquiao. Knock the dude off, get paid handsomely and tell the world "I told you so". Why is that so hard to do?

[Slip Stream]

Floyd is very jealous of Pac, When I was younger I was always jealous of my brothers so I tried to make myself look better than them. I think Floyd is still young and thinking that way.

What's to be jealous of exactly? Manny's broke and still under contract to his Lord and Massa Bob Arum, and probably will be for the remainder of his career. Yeah, so Floyd's looking at Manny scrambling for pennies in the street but yet he's jealous of that? Is he jealous of the fact that Manny was put into an artificially induced coma against Marquez two fights ago, do think he was salivating at that idea? Do you think Mayweather thinks its hella cool to take cash advances on your future earnings thereby negating getting paid on the night you fight?

You think Floyd envies the tax liens on Pacquiao's property or his crack management team headed by Bob Arum and a guy with the last name Koncz? Do you think Mayweather envies Manny's stellar win over Rios that made him the WBC number one contender? What about those five total losses, two draws, and being KTFO three times, its gotta be killing Mayweather not to have gone through that right?

Wow, when I lay it all out like this you're right, Mayweather's just a little hating b1tch.....

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

so then why would ruslan be a better fight LOL! just because he's a "new face"?? he was a sparring partner for manny, he's not a "new face" LOL.

Evol, you are owning this creature big time. Green K for you!

The logic of this guy doesn't make sense at all. I believe he is only a Floyd fan and not a boxing fan.

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

son i was watching manny alot longer than most on NSB. Way back when he was promoted by Murad Muhammad.

No, I didn't say it was a better fight. I said its fresh and new. we saw manny/tim already Manny won clearly, he just got robbed.

obviously beating tim makes manny a champion again.

You know how in therapy the answers to a person's issues comes from one's own mouth. Now I know why you prefer Pac vs Ruslan.

[UTEP]

Wow, when I lay it all out like this you're right, Mayweather's just a little hating b1tch.....

I'm glad you seen the light. Green K sent.

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Tales Of Tax Liens - Part I

What Manny could care a less about:

Definition of 'Tax Lien:'

A legal claim by a government entity against a noncompliant taxpayer's assets. Tax liens are a last resort to force an individual or business to pay back taxes. To get rid of a lien, the taxpayer must pay what he or she owes, get the debt dismissed in bankruptcy court or reach an offer in compromise with the tax authorities. Federal and state governments may place tax liens for unpaid federal or state income taxes, while local governments may place tax liens for unpaid local income or property taxes.

[lfc19titles]

Victor Conte is one of the most knowledgeable people in sports with regard to the use of, and testing for, performance-enhancing drugs. In 1984, Conte founded the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), which was at the heart of several much-publicized PED scandals. In 2005, he pled guilty to charges of illegal steroid distribution and tax fraud and spent four months in prison. After being released from incarceration, Conte moved to the side of the angels and is now a formidable advocate for “clean” sport.

“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has been doing during the previous six months?”

Tests for a Mayweather fight generally begin around the time of the kick-off press tour heralding Floyd’s annual ring appearance. Floyd and his opponent agree to keep USADA advised as to their whereabouts and submit to an unlimited number of unannounced blood and urine tests. Other details (such as what drugs are being tested for, how samples are analyzed and what happens in the event of a positive test) are murky.

Mayweather and his promoter (Golden Boy Promotions) have gone to great lengths to propagate the notion that they’re in the forefront of PED testing to “clean up” boxing. In return, they’ve reaped a public relations bonanza. But some members of Team Mayweather haven’t been content to simply disseminate a positive message with regard to Floyd’s conduct. They’ve chosen instead to brand Pacquiao (Mayweather’s chief rival) as a PED user.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. declared, “[Pacquiao] can’t beat Clottey without that **** in him. He couldn’t beat De la Hoya without that ****. He couldn’t beat Ricky Hatton without that ****. And he couldn’t beat Cotto without that ****. I don’t even think he could beat that kid from Chicago [David Diaz] without that ****. He wouldn’t be able to beat any of those guys without enhancement drugs.”

Not to be outdone, Roger Mayweather proclaimed, “This mother**ker don’t want to take the test. That’s why the fight [Mayweather vs. Pacquiao] didn’t happen. He got that **** in him. That’s why he didn’t want to take the test.”

References to Pacquiao’s alleged PED use by the other defendants in the defamation action were more subtle. But their message was similar.

The court case moved slowly as litigation often does. Last year, the claims against Schaefer and De la Hoya were dismissed with the consent of Pacquiao’s attorneys after Richard and Oscar apologized and stated that they had never meant to suggest that Manny was using performance-enhancing drugs.

The Mayweathers continued to fight the complaint. Floyd’s conduct in failing to appear for a scheduled deposition on several occasions displeased the court and infuriated Pacquiao’s attorneys. The case looked like it would be a long battle of attrition. Then things changed dramatically.

Under standard sports drug-testing protocols, when blood or urine is taken from an athlete, it’s divided into an “A” and “B” sample. The “A” sample is tested first. If it tests negative, end of story. If the “A” sample tests positive, the athlete then has the right to demand that the “B” sample be tested. If the “B” sample tests negative, the athlete is presumed to be clean. But if the “B” sample also tests positive, the first positive finding is confirmed and the athlete has a problem.

On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.

More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).

In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.

The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment. Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.

On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.

As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”

I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.

I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.

hmmmmm, interesting

[Spoon23]

How times have change. PAC is leading the poll. People has seen the light that this is a close fight either way, therefore a must see flight.

Where is Floyd? Oh yeah he doesn't deal with arum.