catchweight king, coming off losses. Great response!!!

[T18Z]

Great post full of nothing but the truth.

One of the cleanest legit posts I've seen in a while, green K.

[hectari]

Not true. In fact, Oscar came in at 145. Guys who struggle to make 147 don't weigh in at 145. He chose 145 to gain speed and weighed in at that.

He also chose to come in smaller so when he whooped lil pacmans butt he would tell people look I was smaller than him tonight! so it didn't diminish his win for calling up a small guy, it backfired on Oscar and than he played the I was drained card.

Its his own fault, he went that low to prove a point and it backfired, he wanted to lure Floyd out of retirement for a rematch and than got his butt whooped by Pacman, Oscar was already trying to go down to 147 anyway didnt he fight Steve Forbes at 150 catchweight prior?

[HeroBando]

Convenient you cut out the point/reasoning behind my statement, huh...

You don't need any reasoning, just look up the definition. Otherwise it gets situational, wide open for agendas to creep in. Lets not make it that easy. Lets be factual, and consistent (important!)

[HeroBando]

He also chose to come in smaller so when he whooped lil pacmans butt he would tell people look I was smaller than him tonight! so it didn't diminish his win for calling up a small guy, it backfired on Oscar and than he played the I was drained card.

Its his own fault, he went that low to prove a point and it backfired, he wanted to lure Floyd out of retirement for a rematch and than got his butt whooped by Pacman, Oscar was already trying to go down to 147 anyway didnt he fight Steve Forbes at 150 catchweight prior?

Of course, it's not like he went down to 150 cause Forbes requested it, and he was desperate for a piece of him. He was also calling out Hatton at 147 after the Floyd rematch fell through. Remind me, was the rematch gonna be at 147 or 150?

[FrankieClutch]

That was a ****ing great read. Wow. A helluva lot of truth in that!

[hectari]

Pac had 0 intention of going to 147 after 1 fight at 135. He got an offer he couldn't refuse from DLH. Beating him didn't make him a legit welter in his or anyone else's eyes. Go back 12 months prior to the Cotto fight, what would have been the odds of Pac vs Cotto? 8-1 underdog? In the mean time Pac had barely taken any punches to say he can handle a legit welter. As CWs go, it was way more justifiable than Floyd vs Canelo for example Or Cotto vs Marg 2, or PWill vs Sergio 2, or Ortiz vs Berto etc.

People fail to see this. After Pac fought Oscar at 147 it was a one time deal, he went down in weight to 140 for a Hatton fight, the majority of analyst even said that Hatton would knock out Pacman, I think Timothy Bradley was the only guy who said Pac would KO Hatton lol.

Than when Pac went up to 147 against a legit welterweight in Cotto, they offered the catchweight to even the fight, I never had a problem with catchweights, nobody did, until the people who didn't want Pacman to become great used it to hate on him, thats the only time ever that people had a problem with catchwegihts is when Pacman used them. They hate him so hard and many didn't want to see an Asian guy on top or a guy who wasn't their fighter to get praised.

Nobody said **** when Floyd fought JMM and failed to make weight, maybe a few people on a message board, only when Pacman fights at CW its a problem.

It shows they just hate this guy.

[FrankieClutch]

I am also a fan of both, but let's be real. My main beef with the PAC catch weight(s) is the jumping up and down on weight for the advantage. Against de LA hoya he could fight at 147....but not against cotto. Had to catchweight cotto for only one clear reason.

Now I'm not saying that the catchweight was responsible for Cotto's loss, but am saying that there is only one reason on why he demanded it. Let's also not forget that he was asking 143, and they negotiated up to 145.

Against the bigger legit threats he makes them come down because he can't go up. Against the smaller guys he makes come up because he all of a sudden can't go down. That's my perception of it all.

About the DLH thing.. De La Hoya was still the PPV king, no 147, no fight.

[hectari]

Of course, it's not like he went down to 150 cause Forbes requested it, and he was desperate for a piece of him. He was also calling out Hatton at 147 after the Floyd rematch fell through. Remind me, was the rematch gonna be at 147 or 150?

147 I think.

Also Oscar even said he could go down to 140 if he wanted too lol. remember them bragging on the conference call a few weeks before the fight? The trainer of Oscar said Oscar weight like 145 already they were boasting that he is in shape and will beat Pacman and could even go lower.

All of a sudden Oscar said he was drained, oh well his fault nobody else s.

Another lie spewed by Pac haters and Flowmos is the rehydration clause, I don't know why so many flowmos love riding with lies? There was no hydration clause ever even Roach said the more weight Oscar puts on the better, just like saying Pac is scared of needles, he never said that crap, yet they still ride with it.

[~AK49~]

About the DLH thing.. De La Hoya was still the PPV king, no 147, no fight.

De LA hoya was coming down from 154 if I'm not mistaken.

In any case, he signed the contract, and that's the end all. That fight isn't even my beef, it was a catchweight to make a great fight happen. I have no problems with catch weights happening to make a fight happen, that otherwise wouldn't happen. My problem is when a fighter can make a weight, was seen to be strong at that weight, but refuses to fight at that weight and instead elects to weaken his opponent/gain an advantage by playing weight games.

[~AK49~]

You don't need any reasoning, just look up the definition. Otherwise it gets situational, wide open for agendas to creep in. Lets not make it that easy. Lets be factual, and consistent (important!)

Ok, let's be consistent and factual...




















PAC has refused to fight some dangerous fighters at their best weight.