The Official Juan Manuel Marquez-Timothy Bradley & Undercards RBR & Discussion Thread

[JOM'S]

I don't think I've ever seen a fighter of Marquez' spirit, determination and heart get so much hate in a close losing effort and go from being known as such a warrior to being among the most hated fighters on here. For a guy who has given as much as he has to boxing and as many great, incredible fights of such a historic nature, there are a lot of fans that seem to have a really weird amount of hate because he beat Pac. Now, Bradley is respected and liked despite still being unable to admit he lost a fight that was a much clearer loss than any Marquez has had.

99% of fighters would have said they won that fight. Provodnikov said he was robbed by the judges until recently. Bradley said he won the Pac fight and it was only close because he broke an ankle and Marquez said he won fights that were all very close and could, many should, have gone his way except the one where he was clearly beaten, which he happily admits he lost.

This was a close but clear victory for Bradley, but of course Marquez is going to say he felt he won. He wouldn't be a champion if he didn't and he wouldn't still be fighting as well if he didn't.

A true champion refuses to admit defeat which is the exact reason they become such champions. Pac refused to admit defeat against Marquez or morales and gave some of the worst excuses ever heard in boxing history. It's the nature of top champions. Get over the hate people.

Anyway, I don't get it I guess and will always see Marquez as a legend because he gave us some of the greatest ring wars we've ever seen and one of the best rivalries in boxing history. It'd be like hating on Gatti because he's got heart. What the **** is wrong with you people?

I agree, very good post...

[BennyST]

If so clear then I don't know how close it was..I scored it 9-3 or 8-4,imo either score is good..I don't care that Marquez felt he won the fight,whatever..Bradley clearly won this fight..

I also don't believe Marquez landed the better shots..Esp throughout the fight..Bradley landed the overhand and left hook that kept Marquez very cautions..IMO the better shots were landed by Bradley,they were also more effective as Marquez could not really get any offense going..

Yeah, his offence is finally declining. His speed, footwork and defense had all but left him over the last few years, but this fight really showed that his offence has now declined quite significantly too.

I really hope this is his last fight because he has lost just about everything that made him great except his heart. He had no combination punching left whatsoever and was reduced to throwing one or two shots, and even they looked slow as hell. His footwork looks like he's stuck in molasses too now.

The last thing I want to see is him reduced to standing still, taking punches and struggling to get off one or two slow counter shots and this fight was getting very close to that sadly.

[JOM'S]

A bit of both. Mostly though Marquez looked very slow and was struggling to pull the trigger. Five or more years ago he would have beaten Bradley based on this fight. He just had no footwork, no speed and was throwing one punch at a time. He's pretty much done I think. The Pac fights took most of what was left out of him. He looked old.

In saying that, Bradley had to have the speed and game plan to take advantage of what Marquez has lost and did it well. He used his speed, footwork and movement and took advantage of Marquez' age and decline well. I expected him to do it a little bit easier but it wasn't too bad. Close fight, unless you hate marquez, but still a good, clear win for Bradley.

thanks bro that's clear, majority of the post, saw Tim won albeit some say it is close others domination...

now I want to see the fight for myself, cant wait for a good copy to DL...

where do you think both guys should go next? jmm retirement? bradley go for Pac2 Floyd??

[Hougigo]

The last fighter to try and do that got outclassed



It's almost impossible to outbox Marquez, and I don't think Bradley's that ******. He's going have to fight Marquez and go back to using those headbutts for him to have a chance.

Bradley said the way to beat Marquez is with a jab and movement.

Expect him to run but it doesnt matter. JMM has great timing, he will tag Bradley and Bradley will launch one of his wild swinging flurries. Marquez will shoot a counter straight down the middle and it will be over before 7.

It's Marquez's destiny

Womp Womp Wompppppppppppp

[BennyST]

thanks bro that's clear, majority of the post, saw Tim won albeit some say it is close others domination...

now I want to see the fight for myself, cant wait for a good copy to DL...

where do you think both guys should go next? jmm retirement? bradley go for Pac2 Floyd??

Marquez retirement definitely. Like I said, he's been reduced to largely standing still and waiting for guys to come to him and then throwing one or two big shots. If they don't come to him, as Bradley didn't, he's too slow and his footwork too slow and off balance now to be able to be very effective any more. Against Pac, he was just going for the major haymaker and was still well trained enough to land it. Another year later and another brutal war later though....just doesn't have it now.

Bradley is a tricky one. If he rematched Pac, if Pac gets past Rios, Arum would not want him losing and I don't think he could beat Pac. Despite the now slightly revised history by many people, he didn't get close to beating Pac. That fight, unlike this one, was a dominant win. Whatever people say about the one ankle thing, it was Pac punching the ****e out of Bradley that put him like that. I'd like to see the 'loss' righted though so it wouldn't be bad and Pac is exactly get younger either.

A Mayweather fight could be interesting. Apart from Pac, who else is there?

[Riley Freeman]

117-111 Marquez

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[IronDanHamza]

If so clear then I don't know how close it was..I scored it 9-3 or 8-4,imo either score is good..I don't care that Marquez felt he won the fight,whatever..Bradley clearly won this fight..

I also don't believe Marquez landed the better shots..Esp throughout the fight..Bradley landed the overhand and left hook that kept Marquez very cautions..IMO the better shots were landed by Bradley,they were also more effective as Marquez could not really get any offense going..

To me, Marquez landed the cleaner better punches they were just seldom.

Bradley landed more punches and clean punches, and what gave him a lot of rounds on my card was his ability to dictate the pace.

Agree with most of what you're saying though. Right man won althought I felt it was an "either way" kind of fight.

Big props for Bradley he's in my P4P top 5 now.

[New England]

SMH

Unfortunately I have some of my own to deal with on Monday. My damn ******ed coworker said CANELO GOT ROBBED AGAINST FLOYD and said Floyd is a terrible fighter. I know he'll hate Bradley too.

how hard did you slap him?

[Bushidō]

here to eat crow. Couldn't have been more wrong on my prediction. Close fight that I thought Bradley edged out.

HBO commentary seemed one sided though.

[RoyHater]

My Post Fight Thoughts



Big win for Timothy Bradley !