Educate me on the Klitchko Brothers. What Hall of Famers have they beat?

[LELBRON]

I rate Wlad as an ATG heavy. But he's not even close to being in the upper echelon of ATG Heavyweights. More like in the 20-25 region (if that itself is a proper enough qualification to be considered an ATG.

And he's one of the most physically/athletically talented Heavyweights i've ever seen. Infact, most of his success is largely due to his natural athletic talent and not his technical proficiency which gets vastly overrated by n00bs who don't know what the hell they're watching.

But he's one of the less than handful of ATG Heavy's without a signature win over a fellow ATG/HOF'er. And never dethroned the previous era's dominant champ(s) and/or ATG's like most of his predecessors have done. This has hurt his legacy big time.

He shared the top 10 Heavyweight list from 2000-2003 with 3 ATG'S/HOF'ER'S (Lennox, Holyfield & Tyson) and fought NONE OF THEM. And Corrie Sanders exposed why...

Corrie Sanders basically destroyed any shot Wlad had at having a respectable legacy. Around the time of that fight is when he should've been solidifying his legacy, and knocking the big names in the sport off their thrones, but he went and got himself KO'd by a 38 year old part-time golfer and made himself irrelevant in the division at the absolute worst possible time.

And Vitali is really a high-end contender level boxer, about on the level of the Tim Witherspoon's, Ernie Terrell's, Tony Tucker's etc. of the world. Not a legit ATG.

[LELBRON]

Wlad is without a doubt an ATG and HOF'er. Wlad tears apart any HW from any era.

But yet, couldn't even beat the journeymen from Lewis's era.

[New England]

is that from the exorcist?

you can tell he was trying to jump clear through the window, but he hit the beam in the middle and it completely redirected his momentum. that probably hurt

[check hook]

Actually it is.

Tyson lost 6 times, including bums like Williams and McBride. Was beaten two times by Holyfield. The best win on his resume is past prime Holmes.

We can't pretend those fight didn't happen because Tyson was 'not the same'. That is the part of his legacy.

I agree he was a beast during his prime and that he would beat just about any fighter, but that's not the same as a resume.

Williams and McBride?? Give me a break. Pinklon Thomas, Berbick, Spinks, Tucker, Ruddock, Bruno are better than everything Wlad has on his resume. He also fought Holyfield. Loss or not he did well in those fights, and that's after a four year prison stint. Counting a bum like McBride and Williams when Tyson was a full 10 years from his prime or longer??? C'mon, give me a break.

Wlad and Vitali are HoF'ers, first ballot, their resume isn't their fault, the HW era has been weak.

[bravestone]

lewis avenged both. Beat all the comp. out there.

holyfield earned his spot because he fought everone much. greater comp than the klits put together.

tyson destroyed everyone he fought until douglas. We all know he wasnt the same after he lost cus.

Lennox avenging his defeats certainly help him big time.

[sunny31]

Williams and McBride?? Give me a break. Pinklon Thomas, Berbick, Spinks, Tucker, Ruddock, Bruno are better than everything Wlad has on his resume. He also fought Holyfield. Loss or not he did well in those fights, and that's after a four year prison stint. Counting a bum like McBride and Williams when Tyson was a full 10 years from his prime or longer??? C'mon, give me a break.

Wlad and Vitali are HoF'ers, first ballot, their resume isn't their fault, the HW era has been weak.

Exactly - the Klitschko's resume does not hold up to Tyson's at all.

I guess Ali has a poor résumé because he lost to Berbick? That is a pathetic way to look at things.

Don't try and argue with Klitschko fans, they have a warped way of looking at things and a poor sense of reality. It will only give you a headache, I have no doubt in my mind that Wladimir will lose to a sub par heavyweight at some point again. His chin will let him down.

I wold just like to reiterate that I would have both Klitschko's in the HOF. But the answer to the TS question is NONE, ZERO. They have only actually fought one between them. They should be in the HOF based on a few factors, Wladimir 's consistency, and he does have some good wins over b level heavyweights, ie Haye, Byrd, and more or less dominated them, even if both of them are natural cruiserweights.

Vitali has some decent wins, but was very competitive with Lewis (despite the circumstances and how you interpret them) which showed me that he belonged at that level. He has an iron chin and would have been tough for most heavyweights.

[BattlingNelson]

Lennox avenging his defeats certainly help him big time.

Why? What if he hadn't lost to them in the first place? Then they'd just be 2 clubfighters on his resume. Now he happened to be KTFO by those and suddenly they do wonders for his resume because he is 1all against them.

That's some odd logic there mister.

[bravestone]

Why? What if he hadn't lost to them in the first place? Then they'd just be 2 clubfighters on his resume. Now he happened to be KTFO by those and suddenly they do wonders for his resume because he is 1all against them.

That's some odd logic there mister.

Rahman a Club fighter

Talk about logic.

[BattlingNelson]

Rahman a Club fighter

Talk about logic.

Don't bother with the substance of my post wise guy.

[bravestone]

Don't bother with the substance of my post wise guy.

If only there was some.