Mayweather: Where was Martinez when I was dominating at 21?

[elfag]

no i dont think so. Ward still hasnt gotten credit for demolishimg dawson cause of weight loss.

Yeah floyd wont get much credit for beating martinez at 154. Martinez isnt ranked at 154 at all and hasnt fought there in 4 years.

Floyd could fight at 160 for the lineal title. I think style wise he can beat martinez. But as it stands martinez is weighing 14-18 pounds more than mayweather on fight nights. If floyd beats him then what is he supposed to do, fight chavez who weighs 180 while he weighs 155 even after putting on some muscle.

[redwhip]

Margarito was ranked and it was discussed how he could have been ranked above some other more deserving opponents.

Floyd ducked Margarito. Everyone knows it. There was an interview of Floyd saying that he didn't want to fight and that was way way after when he could have pretended that he did want.

1. margarito was never ranked by any legit source

2. arum himself admitted floyd agreed to fighting marg but arum turned the contract down in 2005 so thats why floyd left

[Chuckguy]

At Least we know it ain't happening and we won't get ****ed around for 4 fooken years.

[ADP02]

1. margarito was never ranked by any legit source

2. arum himself admitted floyd agreed to fighting marg but arum turned the contract down in 2005 so thats why floyd left

1)
You Floyd fans are always bringing up rankings of one type or another to try to legitimize Floyd's fights BUT we all know that rankings does NOT always tell you everything.

So came about the example of Khan being ranked #2 and yes even Margarito was ranked higher than he should have been to make the fight look more legit. Again, it was discussed here at BS back then and that he shouldn't be above some more deserving fighters.

see Khan


see Margarito



Personally, I don't care if Margarito was or wasn't ranked. The point AGAIN was that you Floyd fans have brought this up to use as an excuse to legitimize fights for Floyd.

Example:
- .... but Khan is ranked #2
- .... but Marquez was #2 P4P

BUT the above doesn't mean that they were legit.


2)
Yes, Floyd said he would fight Margarito if he would have been guaranteed to fight Cotto too .... but that is a joke. Fight Margarito then let the chips land where they may but Floyd wasn't really interested in Margarito. He said so in interviews later on. Arum said eventually Floyd vs Cotto was going to happen. Floyd knew that since we knew that!

Even then, when saying that Floyd said this or that, ....... talk is cheap! Actions speak louder than ......
EXAMPLE:
- "Manny YOUR NEXT!"
- later : "I never said that Manny is next"

[redwhip]

1)
You Floyd fans are always bringing up rankings of one type or another to try to legitimize Floyd's fights BUT we all know that rankings does NOT always tell you everything.

So came about the example of Khan being ranked #2 and yes even Margarito was ranked higher than he should have been to make the fight look more legit. Again, it was discussed here at BS back then and that he shouldn't be above some more deserving fighters.

see Khan


see Margarito



Personally, I don't care if Margarito was or wasn't ranked. The point AGAIN was that you Floyd fans have brought this up to use as an excuse to legitimize fights for Floyd.

Example:
- .... but Khan is ranked #2
- .... but Marquez was #2 P4P

BUT the above doesn't mean that they were legit.


2)
Yes, Floyd said he would fight Margarito if he would have been guaranteed to fight Cotto too .... but that is a joke. Fight Margarito then let the chips land where they may but Floyd wasn't really interested in Margarito. He said so in interviews later on. Arum said eventually Floyd vs Cotto was going to happen. Floyd knew that since we knew that!

Even then, when saying that Floyd said this or that, ....... talk is cheap! Actions speak louder than ......
EXAMPLE:
- "Manny YOUR NEXT!"
- later : "I never said that Manny is next"

1) I'm hardly a floyd fan and ive never justified the marquez fight using the P4P argument. floyd is just the better fighter regardless of weight. and khan being rated at #2 is a joke, no dis*****g that either

2) you say floyd trying to secure fights with Marg, oscar, cotto and hatton like it's a bad thing But this is exactly what fans wanted

yet arum was too greedy and wouldn't make these fights for floyd, he was trying to protect his Latino money makers cotto and margarito and was too bitter about DLH to work with him in the HIGHEST GROSSING FIGHT EVER

[Chuckguy]

1) I'm hardly a floyd fan and ive never justified the marquez fight using the P4P argument. floyd is just the better fighter regardless of weight. and khan being rated at #2 is a joke, no dis*****g that either

2) you say floyd trying to secure fights with Marg, oscar, cotto and hatton like it's a bad thing But this is exactly what fans wanted

yet arum was too greedy and wouldn't make these fights for floyd, he was trying to protect his Latino money makers cotto and margarito and was too bitter about DLH to work with him in the HIGHEST GROSSING FIGHT EVER

Canelo tried to secure a fight with Floyd the same way but he for shat on for it. It's a fight us fans want to see. So which is it?

[redwhip]

Canelo tried to secure a fight with Floyd the same way but he for shat on for it. It's a fight us fans want to see. So which is it?

i wanted floyd to sign to fight canelo too. im pretty bummed that there is a clause for a rematch in trout/canelo

[Chuckguy]

i wanted floyd to sign to fight canelo too. im pretty bummed that there is a clause for a rematch in trout/canelo

U seem to keep it real bro. Green k sent

[ADP02]

1) I'm hardly a floyd fan and ive never justified the marquez fight using the P4P argument. floyd is just the better fighter regardless of weight. and khan being rated at #2 is a joke, no dis*****g that either

2) you say floyd trying to secure fights with Marg, oscar, cotto and hatton like it's a bad thing But this is exactly what fans wanted

yet arum was too greedy and wouldn't make these fights for floyd, he was trying to protect his Latino money makers cotto and margarito and was too bitter about DLH to work with him in the HIGHEST GROSSING FIGHT EVER

So you agree that Floyd and his fans trying to legitimize those fights in that manner is wrong .... cool


The thing is that Floyd didn't want Margarito. If he did, it was there for the taking and he would have gotten paid more than fighting Baldomir. Floyd wanted Cotto in 2005 when Cotto was NOT ready yet. Arum stated that if there is someone that can dethrone Floyd, it would be Cotto BUT in 2005 it didn't make sense for several reasons ..... BUT Floyd wanted a green Cotto. Floyd knew all that since we knew all that .... so all that talk was cheap. Again, Floyd knew that Cotto was NOT available back then so the talk about Margarito was just that ... talk!!!

Arum was OK with Margarito but Floyd wanted "green" Cotto. See the issue?

Now fast forward to 2013 and Floyd is telling us that Canelo is crazy in saying that Canelo will only fight on the undercard if the winner of Canelo/Trout would be meaningful enough to take on Floyd when he beats Guerrero. All Floyd fans agree here with Floyd that Canelo should first think about Trout and then negotiate with Floyd for a fight later on ..... No problem but why didn't Floyd do the same back then and just fight Margarito instead of just talk?

[redwhip]

So you agree that Floyd and his fans trying to legitimize those fights in that manner is wrong .... cool


The thing is that Floyd didn't want Margarito. If he did, it was there for the taking and he would have gotten paid more than fighting Baldomir. Floyd wanted Cotto in 2005 when Cotto was NOT ready yet. Arum stated that if there is someone that can dethrone Floyd, it would be Cotto BUT in 2005 it didn't make sense for several reasons ..... BUT Floyd wanted a green Cotto. Floyd knew all that since we knew all that .... so all that talk was cheap. Again, Floyd knew that Cotto was NOT available back then so the talk about Margarito was just that ... talk!!!

Arum was OK with Margarito but Floyd wanted "green" Cotto. See the issue?

Now fast forward to 2013 and Floyd is telling us that Canelo is crazy in saying that Canelo will only fight on the undercard if the winner of Canelo/Trout would be meaningful enough to take on Floyd when he beats Guerrero. All Floyd fans agree here with Floyd that Canelo should first think about Trout and then negotiate with Floyd for a fight later on ..... No problem but why didn't Floyd do the same back then and just fight Margarito instead of just talk?

Yes I agree it's a lame way for floyd fans to justify that kind of crap through p4p rankings. ie it wouldnt have been ok for floyd to bring up donaire because he was top 5 or whatever.

But youre making the issue of margarito FAR more difficult than it has to be. Floyd wanted 2 things short term.

One, the margarito fight
then 2, the Oscar fight (in order to extend the contract)

Arum declined the Oscar fight straight away so Floyd left. Why wouldn't he have? Oscar was the bigger, the more lucrative, the BETTER fight to be made.