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    #71
    Originally posted by grape drink View Post
    If Joe Calzaghe is an ATG then so is Froch, seing as how his resume is actually better than Calz's.
    Nonsense.

    Calzaghe beat the PRIME version of Kessler, and Froch lost to a somewhat faded version.

    Calzaghe beat a lot of good fighters: Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika, Sheika (who was coming off a win over Glen Johnson), 30-0 Veit, still-good Hopkins (who schooled Pavlik after that, let's not forget people were saying Pavlik would KO Calzaghe) and his best win: prime Mikkel Kessler.

    Calzaghe had longevity and a consistency we haven't seen from Froch, at least not yet.

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      #72
      Originally posted by Freedom.
      Right, that's why you were rooting for David Haye, as I recall.


      No, I certainly was not.

      I was rooting and hoping for Wlad to knock Haye out cold.

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        #73
        no calzaghe is not an ATG... Froch has a better resume than cokezaghe even though Froch has losses

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          #74
          Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
          no calzaghe is not an ATG... Froch has a better resume than cokezaghe even though Froch has losses
          Maybe. Hard to tell tbh. Froch might have lost to Dirrell as well.

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            #75
            Nop. Didn't beat Hopkins imo. The only good win he had was against Kessler. Beating 1 good fighter doesn't mean you're an all time great.

            RJJ v Calzaghe at 168, theres no debate really.

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              #76
              Originally posted by techliam View Post
              Nop. Didn't beat Hopkins imo. The only good win he had was against Kessler. Beating 1 good fighter doesn't mean you're an all time great.

              RJJ v Calzaghe at 168, theres no debate really.
              That Hopkins fight was ****ing ****. They both should have lost.
              One of the worst fights ever. This is the double standards when it involves

              two fights.
              Hopkins-Calzaghe and Haye-Wlad.
              People like to point fingers at Haye and Hopkins, but realistically Calzaghe and Wlad fought like boring ****s as well.

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                #77
                Originally posted by FightScorer View Post
                That Hopkins fight was ****ing ****. They both should have lost.
                One of the worst fights ever. This is the double standards when it involves

                two fights.
                Hopkins-Calzaghe and Haye-Wlad.
                People like to point fingers at Haye and Hopkins, but realistically Calzaghe and Wlad fought like boring ****s as well.
                Agree with you there

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                  #78
                  On ability? Yes Joe was a great fighter

                  On achievement? No, ATG status is reserved for the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard, Evander Holyfield, Tommy Hearns, Ali and great fighters of that ilk. Joe does not belong in that company on achievements.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Skittlez View Post
                    Try to refute his ATG status and I will shut you down.

                    He is an ATG and the best SMW of all times.
                    His resume isnt the most in depth, but i think to get in ATG i think your talent should get your foot in the door on certain occasions, and for JC id leave the door open.

                    Same thing with Floyd, his resume isnt the best but on his talent id leave it open for him as well.

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                      #80
                      not in my opnion. he didnt fight the best.

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