Comments Thread For: Naazim Discusses Garcia vs. Judah, Garcia vs. Matthysse

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Bruh, yes he beat Khan, damn get over it.

Buster Douglass beat Tyson, did that mean that Douglass's resume was better than any heavyweight at the time because he had the best win or that he could beat any other HW at the time? Fcuk no.

So why the hell do we have to hear about Garcia beating Khan everytime we try to discuss how a potential fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out as if Mathysse and Khan have similar styles or something.

WTF, how many times do I have to tell you that Garcia's win over Khan and Mathysse's SD loss to Judah have SCHIT to do with a potential fight between Garcia and Mathysse??

Why is this so difficult to understand for the 30th time.

Yo man..... you can't hang with me on this debate because you are trying to give Matthysse so much more credit than Garcia but in reality Matthysse hasn't done anything better than Garcia so far in their careers. You have discredit everything Garcia has done but put Matthysse on a pedestal but he ain't delivering and he had two chances to close the show. Can Matthysse win? Maybe he can or maybe not but don't come on here talking about how much better of a fighter he is than Garcia when facts shows that is not the case at the moment. You and Dominibox are the most emotional because people are just giving Garcia props and respect while you guys come on his threads and say how much better Matthysse is and that we are wrong for boosting him up because of his recent wins. Then you have the nerve to be rearranging what Naazim said to fit your agenda. Never act like you know what a man said until or unless he says it himself and Naazim is a pretty straight shooter and in no way did he say that Garcia can't beat Matthysse so get over yourself and take Dominibox hating ass with you.

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So why the hell do we have to hear about Garcia beating Khan everytime we try to discuss how a potential fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out as if Mathysse and Khan have similar styles or something.

WTF, how many times do I have to tell you that Garcia's win over Khan and Mathysse's SD loss to Judah have SCHIT to do with a potential fight between Garcia and Mathysse??

Why is this so difficult to understand for the 30th time.

And to address this in particular...... You have flipped flopped in every way on here concerning this topic. I remember when we first started out and you said that you feel like Matthysse can beat Garcia and I said I don't think so but you went off talking about Matthysse is all better than Garcia and Garcia can't beat Matthysse. I never went that far into. I feel like Garcia is a better fighter with more potential but your mission was to make me out to not be right when in actuality, no one will know who is the best until they fight each other, but fact has it that Garcia is in a better position with bigger wins than Matthysse. You Dominibox come on Garcia threads and talk about how much better he is than Garcia, and how Garcia is ducking him and that Naazim said Garcia can't win and he never said that. All of this is in both of you guys head that you're right about Garcia/Matthysse.

If you like Matthysse and think he is better and can beat Garcia fine. Just don't come on here telling people they're wrong for thinking other wise by pointing out Garcia's flaws, when Matthysse don't even have one signature win at 140. I tried to discuss the fight from a stylistic point of view but Dominibox claims that I don't know what I'm talking about because I said Garcia has skills. He disagrees and then asked me to point out the skills I see, I did and he debunks them. That's called hating and you are riding with this guy. If I put all of your posts together in one post you will see how many times you backslide and change up your stance on the issue, so stop trying to make me out to be like I'm bugging because I have been consistent.

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And to address this in particular...... You have flipped flopped in every way on here concerning this topic. I remember when we first started out and you said that you feel like Matthysse can beat Garcia and I said I don't think so but you went off talking about Matthysse is all better than Garcia and Garcia can't beat Matthysse. I never went that far into. I feel like Garcia is a better fighter with more potential but your mission was to make me out to not be right when in actuality, no one will know who is the best until they fight each other, but fact has it that Garcia is in a better position with bigger wins than Matthysse. You Dominibox come on Garcia threads and talk about how much better he is than Garcia, and how Garcia is ducking him and that Naazim said Garcia can't win and he never said that. All of this is in both of you guys head that you're right about Garcia/Matthysse.

If you like Matthysse and think he is better and can beat Garcia fine. Just don't come on here telling people they're wrong for thinking other wise by pointing out Garcia's flaws, when Matthysse don't even have one signature win at 140. I tried to discuss the fight from a stylistic point of view but Dominibox claims that I don't know what I'm talking about because I said Garcia has skills. He disagrees and then asked me to point out the skills I see, I did and he debunks them. That's called hating and you are riding with this guy. If I put all of your posts together in one post you will see how many times you backslide and change up your stance on the issue, so stop trying to make me out to be like I'm bugging because I have been consistent.

What I mainly disagreed about is you saying Garcia can beat Mathysse "because" he beat Amir Khan and KO'd Morales.

I then went on to say that I feel Mathysse has a better chin then both fighters and the left hook wouldn't play as much of a factor in the fight then you think it would because Mathysse can take a punch; Brother ****m agrees.

Point is, my whole issue with your opinion is you think Garcia can not only KO Mathysse with his hook, but you feel Garcia can outbox him. The flaw with that reasoning is you're using the Khan and Morales fights as a reference in thinking that way. What me and ****m Richardson are telling you is Mathysse's chin is better than Khan and Garcia's so he would have better punch resistance. Secondly, what I'm telling you is Garcia is not a "BOXER". He's just not as good of a boxer as Judah, Alexander or Olusegun. That doesn't mean that Garcia can't beat Judah, I'm just saying his boxing skills is NOT what will win him the fight over Mathysse, because he's just not that good of a boxer. He's a ****er/counterpuncher.

But for some reason, you're stuck using Garcia's win over Khan and Mathysse's SD loss to Judah as reasoning to why he'll beat Mathysse. Put simply, Mathysse and Khan are two completely different types of fighters which is what I keep telling you. Judah and Garcia are two completely different types of fighters, which is what I keep telling you. They have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. That's like saying Pac beat ODLH and Hatton better/quicker than Mayweather did so that means Pac can beat Mayweather. NO, it doesn't work like that.

That said, if you take away Garcia's best chances of winner, which are boxing and TKO, what do you have left? Nothing. This is why I say Garcia will lose. Nothing to do with me "hating". I even feel Garcia can barely beat Rios; am I "hating" there?

Anyway, your response to my "technical" break down of why Mathysse will win is "Garcia beat Khan and Mathysse has a SD loss to Judah". That's where we're having a problem. You're still using triangle theories. Whenever I give you a break down on why Mathysse will win, all you do is come back and say "Garcia beat Khan and KO'd Morales, while Mathysse lost a SD to Judah" wash and repeat LMAO...

This is why we're having a problem. It has nothing to do with hating.

Regarding what Richardson said, you have yet to dispute whether or not Richardson said Garcia can beat Judah. You know he didn't say Garcia can beat Judah in those exact words, but I think we all can acknowledge that by Richardson saying Garcia won't have a problem with Judah, that means Richardson feels Garcia can beat Judah. So if you can read in between the lines and understand that, then what's wrong with me doing the same when interpreting what he said about Mathysse? If Richardson felt Garcia could beat Mathysse, he would've used the same confidence he used when evaluating the Judah fight. But instead, he decided to use words like "No matter what happens, Garcia will be a problem".

IMO, no matter what happens, he'll be a problem = Garcia will put up a fight and be a problem, but he's not convinced Garcia will win. Otherwise he would've said so.

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I don't know but i don't see greatness in GARCIA,KHAN can't take a punch but he was making GARCIA bleeding easy....i mean,a good boxer like KHAN with speed and punching power that can take a punch will stop GARCIA,no doubt about it.
JUDAH is fast and brillant with power but he can't take punishment no more from a hard hitter so i don't see JUDAH beat GARCIA right now but MATHYSSE has really a big chance IMO.

For some guys over here....this part is hard to believe. IMO, that's the way i see it.

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What I mainly disagreed about is you saying Garcia can beat Mathysse "because" he beat Amir Khan and KO'd Morales.

I never said that. Check my posts more carefully. I'm going to show you how it went down soon.

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I never said that. Check my posts more carefully. I'm going to show you how it went down soon.

You did say that and I've been checking your posts carefully.

You've been saying for the last week or so that Mathysse doesn't have that one "marquee" win and that Garcia's win over Khan *****s everything Mathysse has done.

What does Khan and Morales have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

What does a SD loss to Zab Judah have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

Do I have to break down for you how Judah/Alexander are completely different types of fighters than Garcia?

You then ask what has Mathysse done?

32 fights with 30 KO's. If I had to compare how I think a potential fight between Garcia-Mathysse would play out based off who Mathysse fought, I would use the Soto fight as a reference. Off the top of my head, I think they're rather similar. Sure Soto was moving up in weight, but I think he's more than capable of beating a lot of 140 lbers and Lucas's win over him is extremely down graded.

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Usually Judah nowadays only has a shot to win inside 5 rounds when he steps up and fight the better boxers, but in this case I beleive he can win a UD. Garcia is very overrated. This is a very winnable fight for the man from Brooklyn.

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I don't know but i don't see greatness in GARCIA,KHAN can't take a punch but he was making GARCIA bleeding easy....i mean,a good boxer like KHAN with speed and punching power that can take a punch will stop GARCIA,no doubt about it.
JUDAH is fast and brillant with power but he can't take punishment no more from a hard hitter so i don't see JUDAH beat GARCIA right now but MATHYSSE has really a big chance IMO.

Any fighter/boxer can lose and/or bleed but what makes a fighter a fighter is that he can over come adversity and win. Khan made Garcia bleed but got dropped 4 times and stopped. Funny how Khan getting shots in on Garcia is more credited then him actually demolishing Khan in 4 rounds on this thread. Matthysse is a fighter with possibilities but when/if that fight happens then my money is on Garcia.

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You did say that and I've been checking your posts carefully.

You've been saying for the last week or so that Mathysse doesn't have that one "marquee" win and that Garcia's win over Khan *****s everything Mathysse has done.

What does Khan and Morales have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

What does a SD loss to Zab Judah have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

Do I have to break down for you how Judah/Alexander are completely different types of fighters than Garcia?

You then ask what has Mathysse done?

32 fights with 30 KO's. If I had to compare how I think a potential fight between Garcia-Mathysse would play out based off who Mathysse fought, I would use the Soto fight as a reference. Off the top of my head, I think they're rather similar. Sure Soto was moving up in weight, but I think he's more than capable of beating a lot of 140 lbers and Lucas's win over him is extremely down graded.

Man, you have been flip flopping consistently and I am going to show you soon. Just in the middle of something. I consider myself an intelligent person and my posts or reputation on here are not regarded as a weak poster. I'll be back to debate you on this.

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How, by showing quotes like you did Domnibox that mean nothing and calling them "Schooling"?

It's what you said and how contradicted yourselves.