Sugar Ray Robinson #1 for eternity?

[miron_lang]

Because the change in boxing landscape since Ray's time. We can all conclude that it is impossible for current fighters to accumulate 173 Victories with 108 KO's

he faced so many champions because he fought many times in a year unlike today where a Champion usually fight 3 to 4 times a year.


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So is it possible for a fighter today to accomplish something that could possible be greater than Robinson's achievements?

[Canelo Phresh]

no.............

[4Corners]

He'll be very hard to surpass. Just like it's very unlikely any Heavyweight will be able to surpass Ali's career, it's very unlikely that any boxer will ever surpass Robinsons.

[Cloud]

Nobody can defeat Ray in the P4P Rankings. Only Langford and a few others rank near Robinson in P4P Greats of All Time and I say it's still a fair distance.

Times have changed in boxing. No top level fighter will fight more than 4 times a year. They don't really need to with the money they earn. Plus, fighters are carefully managed today.

Men like Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, Muhammed Ali ect. are made once in a life time. People with some sort of special gift.

People wish for more men like them but I always tell them the same thing....Those men can only be cheaply copied because there's never ever going to be another one.

[gingerbreadman]

For me, no. Not unless there's a considerable paradigm shift in boxing demographics. Robinson dominated the game, in the divisions at the peak of the bell curve, when that bell curve was at its numerical highest.

[Ryn0]

Not unless boxing changes and fighters fight much more often. We're lucky now if the top two fighters get it on a division and then fight again that same year.

Robinson was fighting the number 2 guy in his time and often. He fought 23 former, present and future world champions, and tha'ts at a time when there was only one belt. Imagine how many he would've fought if there were 4 belts.

It's possible but unlikely.

[Bushbaby]

Imo, there is simply no way to compare old school fighters to present day fighters. Or say that a fighter in the future can do what SRR did.

Only 1 example is needed. We currently have an 8 division champion. In SRR's day there were only 8 divisions period. From minimum weight to heavyweight. No fighter on the planet can do that.

Same day weight-ins were both an advantage & disadvantage to old school fighters, they fought more rounds, more frequently & when they were hurt, the other fighter didn't have to retreat to a neutral corner.

IMHO if you stick any present day fighters into a scenario like back in the day, the new school fighter craps his pants & sues you.

[hugh grant]

How great you are is an opinion, so in somes opinions SRR cant be bettered, and in some peoples opinions SRR isnt the best and has been bettered. But to say he has been bettered causes uproar sometimes, so the person who thinks SRR has been surpassed keeps the opinion to themselves.

You cant just boast 100 fights, as people dont fight that much nowadays. There has to be other ways to judge. Saying you cant be ever better than SRR, is to shut the door in young kids faces who want to be better and surpass him.
If you are saying it cant be done, it isnt neccesarily a helpful thing to say for boxing, and likely blinkered and narrow minded - what is the point of anyone boxing if they want to be the best?

[boliodogs]

How great you are is an opinion, so in somes opinions SRR cant be bettered, and in some peoples opinions SRR isnt the best and has been bettered. But to say he has been bettered causes uproar sometimes, so the person who thinks SRR has been surpassed keeps the opinion to themselves.

You cant just boast 100 fights, as people dont fight that much nowadays. There has to be other ways to judge. Saying you cant be ever better than SRR, is to shut the door in young kids faces who want to be better and surpass him.
If you are saying it cant be done, it isnt neccesarily a helpful thing to say for boxing, and likely blinkered and narrow minded - what is the point of anyone boxing if they want to be the best?

He is absolutely right. Lots of fans and boxing experts don't think he was the greatest of all time. He had flaws. He lost 19 fights. He had draws and split decisions even when he was young and in his prime.Some of those close fights the crowd thought he lost. The old timers kept saying he was the best so anyone who did not think he was the greatest just kept quiet. I have seen others I thought were better. I am not saying he was not great. I just don't think he was the greatest. Could he beat a prime Hagler or Monzon or Hopkins? I don't think so.Floyd Mayweather thinks he is better. Mayby he is.

[RlCKY]

Because the change in boxing landscape since Ray's time. We can all conclude that it is impossible for current fighters to accumulate 107 Victories with 108 KO's

he faced so many champions because he fought many times in a year unlike today where a Champion usually fight 3 to 4 times a year.


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So is it possible for a fighter today to accomplish something that could possible be greater than Robinson's achievements?

Yeah I'll say that'll never happen again.

In all seriousness, when it comes to accomplishments, no one will ever surpass what Ray did in his career.

But I think it is very likely someone will come along who is a better, more skilled fighter who could take Ray in a head to head matchup.