If Cotto fought Tony the 1st time like he did the 2nd time, he would have won..

[D4thincarnation]

no instead cotto would of won a 12 round unanimous decision. how do you know margs eye would of been o k?margarito is a straight line fighter what difference did they eye closing up make?what would have been different?did his messed up eye make his punches less effective? did his eye make him slower?margarito is not the hardest fighter to hit.if we are going to give pacquiao credit for cotto's win over margarito we might aswell give shane credit for pacquiao beating margarito

What after effect of the Shane bout did Marg suffer?

And how did Pacquiao adapt his tactics because of the Marg vs Mosley fight?

[Optimistic]

Agreed.

Cotto fought the first fight terribly. Laying on the ropes, never clinching, never pushing Marg back. Of course, I do believe that the cement contributed to his loss, but if he had fought smartly, he wouldn't have gotten hit nowhere near as much as he did.

If Cotto had, had Diaz as a trainer, and had worked on his stamina, he would have gotten a decision win.

Oh well, no point in dwelling in the past. What's done is done.

[Mr. Invincible]

it was his orbital bone which is the same thing pacquiao broke on margarito i can see why you thought it was paulies jaw by the way his face looked but it was his orbital bone

Notes:

Malignaggi was down in the second round, and in the fifth he suffered a cut over the left eye, about an inch and a half long on the outer edge above the lid. By round eleven he was showing nose, lip and right jaw puff injuries. The post bout examination showed he had a broken right cheek bone.

That's not the orbital, it's the cheek. Even though it makes little difference.

[Weebler I]

The docs weren't even going to let Marg fight because of his eye. He has had numerous ops on it.

Cotto targeted that eye, how much more permanent damage he done is debatable, but without the Pacquiao fight, Cotto doesn't win by a 9th round TKO and Marg's eye is ok.

I don't know about that. Margarito's eye was swollen but he didn't stop coming forward, he is a genuine nutter.

I just think Cotto's movement was too much for the much more static Margarito in the second fight, Cotto was much more mobile and Margo couldn't corner him as he did in the first fight. In short his gameplan was better and he won the fight 8-1 or 9-0, it was a virtual shut-out.

[D4thincarnation]

Agreed.

Cotto fought the first fight terribly. Laying on the ropes, never clinching, never pushing Marg back. Of course, I do believe that the cement contributed to his loss, but if he had fought smartly, he wouldn't have gotten hit nowhere near as much as he did.

If Cotto had, had Diaz as a trainer, and had worked on his stamina, he would have gotten a decision win.

Oh well, no point in dwelling in the past. What's done is done.

Cotto's mistake in the first fight was that he thought he could stop Marg.

He also got his nose busted in the 2nd which affected his breathing and stamina.

And like you said he never clinched, pushed and spoiled.

Straight after the first fight I knew if there was a rematch Cotto would win.

[letsgobrady]

What after effect of the Shane bout did Marg suffer?

And how did Pacquiao adapt his tactics because of the Marg vs Mosley fight?

margarito had never been knocked out before well maybe when he was 16 so maybe he was not as confident a fighter after getting pounded on and knocked out by mosley.how did cotto adapt his tactics because the pacquiao margo fight?cotto fought nothing like pacquiao and as far as going for the eye i don't know if you ever watched cotto fight but his best punches are his jab and left hook so even if cotto wasn't trying to break margaritos eye it probably would have happened anyway

[Mr. Fantastic]

Wouldn't of mattered.

[D4thincarnation]

I don't know about that. Margarito's eye was swollen but he didn't stop coming forward, he is a genuine nutter.

I just think Cotto's movement was too much for the much more static Margarito in the second fight, Cotto was much more mobile and Margo couldn't corner him as he did in the first fight. In short his gameplan was better and he won the fight 8-1 or 9-0, it was a virtual shut-out.

In the first fight he was 5/6 rounds after the first 6 rounds and hit Marg with everything.

The damage Pac did to Marg's eye was crucial to Cotto's 9th round stoppage.

Cotto pushed Marg round much more in the 2nd fight, he was much more experienced.

[D4thincarnation]

margarito had never been knocked out before well maybe when he was 16 so maybe he was not as confident a fighter after getting pounded on and knocked out by mosley.how did cotto adapt his tactics because the pacquiao margo fight?cotto fought nothing like pacquiao and as far as going for the eye i don't know if you ever watched cotto fight but his best punches are his jab and left hook so even if cotto wasn't trying to break margaritos eye it probably would have happened anyway

Marg proved his chin in the Pacquiao fight, much stronger at 150lbs than being drained against Mosley at 147lbs.

And Marg was not timid against Pacquiao or gun shy.

And incase you missed the fight Cotto targeted the right eye.

I wonder why he did that.

[Optimistic]

Cotto's mistake in the first fight was that he thought he could stop Marg.

He also got his nose busted in the 2nd which affected his breathing and stamina.

And like you said he never clinched, pushed and spoiled.

Straight after the first fight I knew if there was a rematch Cotto would win.

Yup.

Agreed with everything you said.