Comments Thread For: Bradley Says Mayweather is The Best, Not Pacquiao

[John Barron]

Jeeesus your an imbecile kid , you and that idiot Hugh Grant are probably the worst posters on the site , just fanboys with a groupie mentality .

i don't think these two could operate a forklift if their life depended on it. they seem to be good at doing one thing though, psychoanalysing floyd mayweather.

[GRUSTLER]

I'll say it as short as possible. I have said this before in some of my threads. I didn't want pac to fight cotto again coz it is a meaningless fight. He pulverized him for goodness sake. I was glad it was Bradley coz if it weren't Floyd Bradley is a threat. Will it improve pac's legacy? No.

Pac may have chosen for the reason of having a tune-up or an easy fight after a hard fight with marquez fighters do that to lessen the wear and tear, thus means cotto is easy picking. Fast forward 4 years: Cotto is more has always been a legit welterweight fighter who now is fighting in a 154 lbs coz Right now he is a Blown up 154 where he is actually a natural welterweight who just aged to higher weight coz that's what old men have deal with when you age you gain more weight. All it says is that Cotto is Old.

Pac has stretched himself to 7 divisions. Now that he is getting older and the p4p king he can stay in a place he is comfortable and let people go to him. He is after all the man and only 5'5" tall. He has a frame of a small light welterweight.

If Floyd wants to achieve what pac has done he has to go to 164 which I doubt he can do. That's how can appreciate the real essence of pac. A guy who has done the impossible and has always been told he will lose and has made haters into believers. That said..

There is only one fight left for Pac the defining fight of his stellar career, which is Floyd. If he wins he is definitely one of the greats. If Floyd wins he goes higher in the risk meter and higher in the ranks, but their window of opportunity is dwindling down to still think it is a legit fight for the 2 of them.

First off. 164 is not even a division. Second, Floyd is an undefeated fighter who fought better ranked fighters at WW than Manny AND he technically became the Lineal champion at 147 twice while Manny has been fighting there. On top of that,Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Oscar (No catch weights) and is doing again with Miguel Cotto who Pacquiao wanted to fight the old Miguel Cotto (according to you) at 147. why do you consider a fighter great who can't even beat a fighter @ss he whooped prior at the official weight? Didn't Pac beat Margarito at 150 already? You're basically saying it is ok for Pac to fight passed their prime fighters because he is getting old? But yet want to give Pac all the credit in the world for beating these guys? You are bias to the fullest.

Was Pac old when he had Cotto defend his title at 145 even though he fought Oscar De La Hoya successfully at 147 prior? Floyd was dominating before Pac knew how to use his right hand. Get out of here with your fan boy point of views and logic. If you want to talk boxing then lets do it but if you want to discredit one fighter accomplishments to put your favorite fight on a pedestal then I can't talk to you. Pac ducked Mosley OPENLY in 09 because roach thought he was a threat. Even said Shane wasn't Oscar and that's why he couldn't get the fight at 147 like Oscar. Roach also said when Pac first moved to WW that he wanted Floyd at a catch weight because he wanted to take something away from Mayweather because he is such a good fighter. Think I'm making this up? Check below fan guy....

Roach said that though a “Mosley fight is probably the most exciting because they both like to fight,” it's all about making the fight on even terms.

"I have to protect my fighter,” said Roach, who administered the terms for Pacquiao and Oscar De La Hoya last year. “I spoke to Shane and told him that we would fight him at 142. He said he can’t make that weight.”

Mosley asked why not 147, as Manny/Oscar was set at 147? Roach said that Mosley is not De La Hoya in terms of setting a weight handicap.

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P4P best fighter in the sport?


Freddie Roach On Mayweather/Pacquiao.
"It would have to be a catch weight, probably 143, 144 (pounds)," Roach said. "I don't think it would be at 147. But Manny's not afraid of anyone."

Freddie Roach, May 1 2009

That was a lil before the first Floyd/Pac negotiations.

The current P4P fighter couldn't
fight the former without a catchweight?
What were they thinking?

Go ahead with that.

[al-Xander]

Can't even believe these debates over who the best is has gone on for so long now. It's the same arguments over and over and over again: Pac is just an amateurish boxer who cherrypicked his way to the top. In short, he's nothing but an average boxer.

And here's Floyd who had to ask tons of demands just to fight an average boxer.

Bottom line: Floyd's balls are missing. These debates over who the best is would have been settled a long time ago. Floyd apologists themselves don't have balls to call out Floyd for his cowardice.

It's embarrassing.

[Spoon23]

First off. 164 is not even a division. Second, Floyd is an undefeated fighter who fought better ranked fighters at WW than Manny AND he technically became the Lineal champion at 147 twice while Manny has been fighting there. On top of that,Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Oscar (No catch weights) and is doing again with Miguel Cotto who Pacquiao wanted to fight the old Miguel Cotto (according to you) at 147. why do you consider a fighter great who can't even beat a fighter @ss he whooped prior at the official weight? Didn't Pac beat Margarito at 150 already? You're basically saying it is ok for Pac to fight passed their prime fighters because he is getting old? But yet want to give Pac all the credit in the world for beating these guys? You are bias to the fullest.

Was Pac old when he had Cotto defend his title at 145 even though he fought Oscar De La Hoya successfully at 147 prior? Floyd was dominating before Pac knew how to use his right hand. Get out of here with your fan boy point of views and logic. If you want to talk boxing then lets do it but if you want to discredit one fighter accomplishments to put your favorite fight on a pedestal then I can't talk to you. Pac ducked Mosley OPENLY in 09 because roach thought he was a threat. Even said Shane wasn't Oscar and that's why he couldn't get the fight at 147 like Oscar. Roach also said when Pac first moved to WW that he wanted Floyd at a catch weight because he wanted to take something away from Mayweather because he is such a good fighter. Think I'm making this up? Check below fan guy....









Go ahead with that.

As I said Pac has a small frame he is as of now a light welterweight fighting at welterweight. He is just a 5'5" fighter. Roach is just protecting the wear and tear of his guy. You can say catch weights can be handicapping but we all know pac is a midget in front of Floyd . He will look small. As I said pac has stretched himself out. But I'm sure if this fight ever takes place it should be @ 147. If it goes below I will eat my humble pie. This will not happen. Roach just wants to get it out of there incase Floyd is dumb enough to agree.

Plus if you read my earlier post, pac choosing cotto is like pac asking for an easy tune-up fight. As I said he pulverized that guy already no need to fight him unless it's a tune-up or a stay busy fight. Got to go. Cya

[AzteK Warrior]

Of course... would you expect this buttwipe to praise an international TRUE boxing star over someone from his own race?? The more this fight gets closer the more I root for Pacman to KO this hard headed fool.

[-Kev-]

It's not laughable to think any top P4P prime fighter can beat the current Floyd. Floyd is 35 years old, people don't realize how old this is for an athlete of any sport. That is an age where athlete's are pretty much accepted to be past their best and nearing their end. Floyd is no different, yes he's the best out there, but every fight from now on against a very good prime fighter, is a dangerous fight for Floyd, that he can lose. So yeah, Bradley can beat Floyd, especially next year when Floyd will be 36 years old and inching closer to 40. He's half way to 40 now. Floyd is still undefeated now because of his defensive style, ring intelligence, and the way he takes care of himself outside of the ring[no drinking, smoking, stays in shape].


It's unlikely that Miguel Cotto will be the one to beat Floyd, who himself is not prime anymore, not one of the top P4P fighters, hasn't beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ever in his life not even in his prime[correct me if i'm wrong], hasn't beaten a top10 ranked fighter in years, and is just not very good at this point of his career[or any point of his career]. But a guy like Bradley, with his style or another young prime very good fighter, can beat the current Floyd right now. Floyd is slipping, slowing down. Though in his last fight against Ortiz, he moved very very fast and his reflexes were still there. But this is the age where every next fight can be THAT fight.

[The_Sandman]

Yes, as you said Floyd is a boxer a boxer/fighter while Pac is a fighter/ boxer. This 2 are made for each other. They can say Floyd will win it if they fight, but to count out pac is by far disrespecting him.

Pac has been counted out ever since the start of his career here in the states. All the so called expert writers had written him off. A lot of them had to eat some humble pie.

Pac always somehow finds away to dispute them in the ring. His rise to fame came as a fighter of little chance of winning .Always the underdog. So to say Floyd will win is very tricky. Pac is the best offensive fighter while Floyd is the best defensive boxer. They are yin and yang. They cancel each other out or shall I say if one of them wins it will be by the hair.

That is why it's a great awesome fight to watch! sadly we won't see them until Floyd grows a pair hopefully pac is still willing.. Humor has it pac is about to retire soon.

There is more to it than one being a defensive fighter and the other being an offensive fighter.

I'm not counting Pac out. In fact, I'm not even counting Cotto out. But when I predict fights, I look at more than one being the defensive fighter and the other being an offensive fighter. I look at the invisible things such as adaptability, versatility and mentality as well as the visible things such as speed, power, and timing.

When I take all this into consideration, I have no choice but to think Floyd is going to win. Logically, I am going to choose Floyd. He can adapt. So even if he does get rocked by Pacquiao, I can bet that he probably won't get rocked like that again. Floyd's best punch, the straight right, is a southpaw's weakness. And yes, Marquez and Floyd are nothing alike, but let's not pretend that Pacquiao has trouble against Marquez simply because he is Marquez. Don't tell me that Pacquiao isn't getting hit with counter punches because it clearly shows that he is. Even against Clottey, the few times that Clottey hit Pacquiao were in fact, counter punches.

Then you might be thinking, Pacquiao's punch output will overwhelm Floyd. Punch outputs will decrease if you keep getting counter punched. Counter punches also causes frustration. I've seen Pacquiao get frustrated in fights before. I can't say the same thing for Mayweather.

Pacquiao relies on speed and aggression more than anything. What is the perfect counter for speed and aggression? Timing and accuracy. A jab or a straight right, or even the check hook at the right time is all it takes to stop an opponent in his tracks. When you watch Pacquiao's fights and you notice the Pacquiao's famous hair flops as his head snaps back, you are seeing the result of timing and accuracy. This in turn causes a fighter to hesitate.

So scientifically aka logically aka realistically, I have to believe that Mayweather is going to win.

[Spoon23]

It's not laughable to think any top P4P prime fighter can beat the current Floyd. Floyd is 35 years old, people don't realize how old this is for an athlete of any sport. That is an age where athlete's are pretty much accepted to be past their best and nearing their end. Floyd is no different, yes he's the best out there, but every fight from now on against a very good prime fighter, is a dangerous fight for Floyd, that he can lose. So yeah, Bradley can beat Floyd, especially next year when Floyd will be 36 years old and inching closer to 40. He's half way to 40 now. Floyd is still undefeated now because of his defensive style, ring intelligence, and the way he takes care of himself outside of the ring[no drinking, smoking, stays in shape].


It's unlikely that Miguel Cotto will be the one to beat Floyd, who himself is not prime anymore, not one of the top P4P fighters, hasn't beaten a top 10 P4P fighter ever in his life not even in his prime[correct me if i'm wrong], hasn't beaten a top10 ranked fighter in years, and is just not very good at this point of his career[or any point of his career]. But a guy like Bradley, with his style or another young prime very good fighter, can beat the current Floyd right now. Floyd is slipping, slowing down. Though in his last fight against Ortiz, he moved very very fast and his reflexes were still there. But this is the age where every next fight can be THAT fight.

Seems like this is the age Floyd has found an excuse if he ever loses a fight in the near future. "I'm old already that's why you beat me." See the problem there.

The longer he doesn't fight pac. The more this fight won't be legit anymore. They're losing the window of opportunity to fight coz Floyd is still having trouble growing a pair. Perhaps even if they fight today and pac wins all the haters and the critics will say oh coz Floyd is not in his prime no more..

See why this fight should have been done a long time ago. People like you see Floyd as past his prime when as a fighter his wear and tear is minimal compared to others who get hit a lot.

Anyway. Just stating a fact that this kind of thinking is not wrong, people will see that this super fight with pac ain't the best floyd anymore even if he is still a young 35 year old boxer who rarely gets hit. If their is a boxer who has more wear and tear those are fighters like ghatti , Pac who gets hit to get some in.

[-Kev-]

Seems like this is the age Floyd has found an excuse if he ever loses a fight in the near future. "I'm old already that's why you beat me." See the problem there.

The longer he doesn't fight pac. The more this fight won't be legit anymore. They're losing the window of opportunity to fight coz Floyd is still having trouble growing a pair. Perhaps even if they fight today and pac wins all the haters and the critics will say oh coz Floyd is not in his prime no more..

See why this fight should have been done a long time ago. People like you see Floyd as past his prime when as a fighter his wear and tear is minimal compared to others who get hit a lot.

Anyway. Just stating a fact that this kind of thinking is not wrong, people will see that this super fight with pac ain't the best floyd anymore even if he is still a young 35 year old boxer who rarely gets hit. If their is a boxer who has more wear and tear those are fighters like ghatti , Pac who gets to get some in.

You're obviously ******ed and delusional.

[WESS]

Excuses homie. Floyd has ALWAYS been the favorite fighter in that match up even when the first negotiations started taking place in 09. Floyd is considered the better boxer in the sport of boxing period.

It's funny how these ***ing noob fan boys try to rewrite history....