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Chris Byrd vs Vitali Klitschko (Highlights)
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Originally posted by Ubermensch View PostWho is that?
And who really gives a **** anyway?
Rehashing a fight that happened years ago over and over again in the effort to score some kind of points against a current heavyweight champion you have some weird obsession with / grudge against?
Kind of sad, in a way. But also pretty amusing.
When you claim Vitali would beat Ali and any heavweight in history (and easily too) you can expect more rehashing of the Byrd fight.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostSad, but this is turning into a troll thread, which is exactly what posters like superflo and uberstench want. Its a shame you guys can't answer the questions and keep it on boxing.
It seems to me when things aren't going the way you want them to go, suddenly it's "a troll thread" and "not about boxing."
As any politician or lawyer knows, "facts" can be presented in such a way as to make someone look good, or make them look bad. In your case with the Klitschkos, and especially Vitali, it's almost always the latter. So that is something that needs to be taken into consideration in any argument you are involved in about them.
Your rhetoric is the issue, as much as anything else here.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostYeah, but he was a certified racist and bigot. Nobody on this forum whether they like my views or not will ever confuse me with either of those things.
that hate for the Klitschko nuthuggers has translated itself into moderate trolling, bitterness towards the Klits and constant e-battles and arguments with irrational people
I know what I'm talking about, I've gone to e-war with those ******s more than once, but it's a battle you can't win, it's never-ending, new nuthuggers come along as some of them go
I've come to realize that a while back now (even though I always knew it, as might be the case for you too), and I'm done with those nuthuggers, and I have a better time going through the forums since
I drop a bomb here and there once in a while for the **** of it, but that's it, no more useless discussions with them nuthuggers
you are wasting time and energy, hence why the other poster some of you have branded a Tunney alt, which I doubt, is spot on when he talks about your ''crusade''
meditate about it, it's for your own good
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Originally posted by Ubermensch View PostHow is looking at what you say about Vitali in the context of your overall views of the Klitschkos and your published history of antipathy toward them not "keeping it on boxing?"
It seems to me when things aren't going the way you want them to go, suddenly it's "a troll thread" and "not about boxing."
As any politician or lawyer knows, "facts" can be presented in such a way as to make someone look good, or make them look bad. In your case with the Klitschkos, and especially Vitali, it's almost always the latter. So that is something that needs to be taken into consideration in any argument you are involved in about them.
Your rhetoric is the issue, as much as anything else here.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch View PostHow is looking at what you say about Vitali in the context of your overall views of the Klitschkos and your published history of antipathy toward them not "keeping it on boxing?"
It seems to me when things aren't going the way you want them to go, suddenly it's "a troll thread" and "not about boxing."
As any politician or lawyer knows, "facts" can be presented in such a way as to make someone look good, or make them look bad. In your case with the Klitschkos, and especially Vitali, it's almost always the latter. So that is something that needs to be taken into consideration in any argument you are involved in about them.
Your rhetoric is the issue, as much as anything else here.
Klit won most of the rounds, not many would argue against that. But the rounds were very close and Byrd was backing Vitaly up nearly as much as he got backed up despite the huge disadvantages he was at.
Scoring criteria is based on
1. Clean punches
2. Effective aggression
3. Ring generalship
4. Defense
Vitaly landed 8 more punches thru the entire fight and obviously landed the harder punches of the two. Slight advantage to Vitaly in Category one.
While Vitaly only landed 26% of his total punches but he threw nearly twice as many keeping Byrd on the defensive. When Byrd did throw though he landed at 44%, but overall not active enough to win the effective aggression category. Advantage Klitschko.
Byrd moved and did as he pleased either standing in front of Klit or moving out of danger without the ring being cutoff on him and was the more apt of the two to give angles. Vitaly on the other hand was content to move in straight lines both offensively and defensively. Advantage Byrd in ring generalship.
Byrd blocked, ducked and slipped punches making Vitaly land at a career low connect rate and was never visibly hurt in this fight. Advantage Byrd in the defensive category.
Depending on what one prefers, if you favored a defensive fight, an argument could be made Byrd actually won. Myself, I prefer the guy throwing punches looking to make something happen offensively therefore had Vitaly winning the majority of rounds. Anyone trying to claim the rounds weren't close based on the criteria of judging a fight is just foolish though and only choosing to see what the want to see instead of everything that was happening.
Tell me, what is not factual or on point with this post?
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