The Joe Copper Effect

[D4thincarnation]

Last weekend's fight between Peterson and Khan saw point deductions for pushing, something that is very rare in boxing, and something I don't think I have seen before.

Cooper warned Peterson a few times for coming in with his head, but no point deduction ever looked likely.

Khan's pushing was an infringement but a very minor one and was in response to Peterson coming in with his head. Khan also held Peterson's head down in clinches, another infringement but also one that goes largely unpunished in boxing.

If Cortez or almost any other ref was the referee for this fight, Khan would have not had any points deducted and would have been much more protected from Peterson's head in his face, and would have won the fight by a comfortable margin.

So it got me thinking that if Cooper was the reffing some of the past big fights would the result have changed.

First up,

Wlad vs Haye, Wlad held Haye's head down on the inside and done this numerous time to stop Haye working on this inside. Cooper would not have stood for this, point deductions for Wlad, possible DQ or Haye gets the KO.

Then we have Hatton vs Mayweather. Floyd foreman choked, repeatedly held and pushed of using his forearm, stopping Hatton from working on the inside. A lot more infringements than Khan, could we expect to see, point deductions off Mayweather thus allowing Hatton to fight to his game plan. Hatton wins on points, or Floyd gets DQ.

Should Cooper's stance on reffing be the way forward?

[markfrombrookly]

Lmao@ hatton by decision over floyd. What a troll you are.

[D4thincarnation]

Lmao@ hatton by decision over floyd. What a troll you are.

With Cooper in there yes.

He will stop Floyd from spoiling, take points off him and allow Hatton to fight on his chest.

Hatton will not get frustrated, tire himself out an lose the plot an will be able to fight his fight.

[Hougigo]

Last weekend's fight between Peterson and Khan saw point deductions for pushing, something that is very rare in boxing, and something I don't think I have seen before.

Cooper warned Peterson a few times for coming in with his head, but no point deduction ever looked likely.

Khan's pushing was an infringement but a very minor one and was in response to Peterson coming in with his head. Khan also held Peterson's head down in clinches, another infringement but also one that goes largely unpunished in boxing.

If Cortez or almost any other ref was the referee for this fight, Khan would have not had any points deducted and would have been much more protected from Peterson's head in his face, and would have won the fight by a comfortable margin.

So it got me thinking that if Cooper was the reffing some of the past big fights would the result have changed.

First up,

Wlad vs Haye, Wlad held Haye's head down on the inside and done this numerous time to stop Haye working on this inside. Cooper would not have stood for this, point deductions for Wlad, possible DQ or Haye gets the KO.

Then we have Hatton vs Mayweather. Floyd foreman choked, repeatedly held and pushed of using his forearm, stopping Hatton from working on the inside. A lot more infringements than Khan, could we expect to see, point deductions off Mayweather thus allowing Hatton to fight to his game plan. Hatton wins on points, or Floyd gets DQ.

Should Cooper's stance on reffing be the way forward?

Both men are smart enough to stop or do it so blatantly when warned and definitely wouldn't continue to do so after getting a point deducted.
I'm inclined to think about the Hatton question.
Haye... wouldn't have won.
Hatton wasn't allowed on the inside if I remember correctly.

[Pactar∂]

Wlad vs Haye, Wlad held Haye's head down on the inside and done this numerous time to stop Haye working on this inside. Cooper would not have stood for this, point deductions for Wlad, possible DQ or Haye gets the KO.

Wladimir Klitschko scored a one-sided twelve round unanimous decision over cautious WBA champion David Haye. Haye stayed mostly on the outside, occasionally jumping in with single shots while Klitschko pressed the action and was busier in every round, out-landing his opponent (by Compubox) 11 of the 12 rounds. Klitschko was deducted a point by Geno Rodriguez for pushing down Haye in round eight, Rodriguez gave Haye a count after he went down in the eleventh.

[D4thincarnation]

Wladimir Klitschko scored a one-sided twelve round unanimous decision over cautious WBA champion David Haye. Haye stayed mostly on the outside, occasionally jumping in with single shots while Klitschko pressed the action and was busier in every round, out-landing his opponent (by Compubox) 11 of the 12 rounds. Klitschko was deducted a point by Geno Rodriguez for pushing down Haye in round eight, Rodriguez gave Haye a count after he went down in the eleventh.

It was a boring fight with not many big punches landed by either man, Wlad won, but Haye at least won 3 round, 4 on my card.

But when they did get in close(which was not often), Wlad held Haye's head down everytime. I think Cooper would have been taking points of Wlad forcing him to stop using this tactic.

[BennyST]

Last weekend's fight between Peterson and Khan saw point deductions for pushing, something that is very rare in boxing, and something I don't think I have seen before.

Cooper warned Peterson a few times for coming in with his head, but no point deduction ever looked likely.

Khan's pushing was an infringement but a very minor one and was in response to Peterson coming in with his head. Khan also held Peterson's head down in clinches, another infringement but also one that goes largely unpunished in boxing.

If Cortez or almost any other ref was the referee for this fight, Khan would have not had any points deducted and would have been much more protected from Peterson's head in his face, and would have won the fight by a comfortable margin.

So it got me thinking that if Cooper was the reffing some of the past big fights would the result have changed.

First up,

Wlad vs Haye, Wlad held Haye's head down on the inside and done this numerous time to stop Haye working on this inside. Cooper would not have stood for this, point deductions for Wlad, possible DQ or Haye gets the KO.

Then we have Hatton vs Mayweather. Floyd foreman choked, repeatedly held and pushed of using his forearm, stopping Hatton from working on the inside. A lot more infringements than Khan, could we expect to see, point deductions off Mayweather thus allowing Hatton to fight to his game plan. Hatton wins on points, or Floyd gets DQ.

Should Cooper's stance on reffing be the way forward?

Hey, ****head.....Wlad was warned numerous times and had a point deducted for pushing down on Haye.

I swear to God, some of these Khan fans are such clueless ****s.

[Hougigo]

It was a boring fight with not many big punches landed by either man, Wlad won, but Haye at least won 3 round, 4 on my card.

But when they did get in close(which was not often), Wlad held Haye's head down everytime. I think Cooper would have been taking points of Wlad forcing him to stop using this tactic.

Wait.... Cooper never took points for forcing the head down... he took them off for pushing. While I think he should have done that in the first place, I don't know if he would in a fight again.

[D4thincarnation]

Wait.... Cooper never took points for forcing the head down... he took them off for pushing. While I think he should have done that in the first place, I don't know if he would in a fight again.

He did warn Khan about it though, several times, Wlad does this far more than Khan.

It is an infringement and though, the ref in the Wlad vs Haye fight did take a point off, he did not stop Wlad from using this tactic throughout the fight, and used it freely in the 12th when Haye had Wlad hurt.

[Phil Ivey]

Hatton wins on points HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....... great laugh. The ref kept separating Floyd-Hatton because Floyd knew how to tie up and consequently neutralize Hatton's inside game, without the separation we would've saw a wrestling match basically. But hey keep living that fantasy.

Khan pushed Peterson a ridiculous amount.. even when it had nothing to do with Peterson coming in with his head he pushed him away. If Khan had an inside game this controversy would not occur.

Butthurt clueless British fan.