Michael Marley's Full Proof Plan To Making May -vs- Pacq :: What do you think?

[DE100]

With what?

Arum stated that he wants to make Pac vs Marquez IV which from a business standpoint, and given the controversy, makes sense.

However, Team Pacquiao, at the same time (including Arum) stated they will wait and decide which is the best course for Manny.

I really don't see a problem, especially when I have yet to hear a definite statement from Team Mayweather that they want to face Manny.

Hinting at it and then backtracking doesn't count.

Goldenboy is trying to get negotiations started. But someone wont come to the table.

Ellerbe also informed Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer, who does not have a contract with Mayweather but has promoted his last five bouts, of the plan.

"I'm very excited that the sport's biggest pay-per-view star is going to be back on May 5," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "We have informed the pay-per-view industry and I have the arena on hold. I'm excited to continue my relationship with Floyd and his team. It's always fun to work with Floyd."



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But Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs), who turns 35 in February, announced last week that he will make the first defense of the WBC welterweight belt he won in September by stopping Victor Ortiz (29-3-2, 22 KOs) against an opponent to be determined on May 5 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Schaefer wants that "opponent" be Pacquiao.

"I think that Floyd Mayweather has made it very clear that he wants the big fights, and that he wants the biggest possible opponent. By that, I think that everybody knows that he means that the biggest possible opponent means that you've got to start from the top, and that's obviously a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight," said Schaefer.

"But that's assuming that Bob Arum wants to get the fight done. We're not going to be talking about that this week. This week, of course, the focus is going to be on Pacquiao's next fight with Juan Manuel Marquez. But after that, there will be plenty of time to talk about that match up between Mayweather and Pacquiao."



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Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.

"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."




"He's the one who's stopping it from happening," De La Hoya said. "Bob Arum doesn't want to see the fight happen."

So what will it take to finally make the most anticipated boxing fight a reality?

"For Bob Arum to say, 'OK, we want the fight,'" De La Hoya said. "Our side, meaning Golden Boy and Floyd Mayweather, he wants the fight, we want the fight. Mayweather has his date for the fifth of May next year. He wants the biggest fight out there. He wants Pacquiao, there's no doubt about that. It would be very unfortunate if this fight could not be made because of Bob Arum."



Leonard Ellerbe 'confident' that Manny Pacquiao will force promoter Bob Arum to negotiate with Floyd Mayweather

"I think Manny Pacquiao is going to step up and say, 'I want to fight Floyd Mayweather,'" Ellerbe said. "He is an honorable guy, his country admires him, and I think he'll step up. Otherwise, he'll disappoint his own fans, and I don't think he'll do that.

"In my opinion, the fighter needs to step up and tell the promoter, 'This is what I really want to do,' if it's really what he wants to do. I know what the fans want. I truly believe Manny Pacquiao will step up and make the fight happen. At the end of the day, the fighter should have the say-so on who he gets in the ring with."



Not clear enough?

Arum stated that he wants to make Pac vs Marquez IV which from a business standpoint, and given the controversy, makes sense.

Pac vs Marquez IV will always be there, there for it can happen anytime (Just like their other fights and still generate interest)

[WESS]

I'm still scratching my head as to why people think Arum is the problem.

Arum has stepped aside several times and allowed LeBouf to do all the negotiations....but the fight still hasn't been made.

I know most feel Bob is a POS and I can see why, but Arum has stepped away from negotiations each and every time and let others try to make this fight happen.

People need to quit believing everything Floyd says.

It's not that people believe what Floyd says, it's that they believe what Arum says and what he says is ****..... Besides who said Arum didn't have his hands in the negotiations? Arum? lol If it invloves Pac you know he will have a say one way or another.

Both sides are to blame as it takes two to tango however, Bob has ALWAYS had an agenda. The media, the boxing community, fans and the *******s see this now.

Bob is in a corner, its time to man up or forever hold his peace in the cowards corner. If Pac left Arum, this fight would have happened already..

Bob is has 2 options:

1. Give JMM whatever he demands to make a 4th fight
2. Fight Mayweather

You do the math.

[Pocket Dogs!]

No, that's wrong. Mayweather said he still wants to fight on May 5th, but is considering fighting in February also.

Watch @ 03:00

Shaggy: "And if you do fight in May. I'm not gonna ask you who, but if you do fight in May."
Floyd: "Actually, that was wrong, once again."
Shaggy: "Okay."
Floyd: "Floyd Mayweather is fighting in February, so I'm about to go into training camp soon. I'm fighting in February."
Shaggy: "February?"
Floyd: "We're looking at fighting in February because we're looking to stay active so you could be the first one to put it out there."

[MurkaMan]

I'm still scratching my head as to why people think Arum is the problem.

Arum has stepped aside several times and allowed LeBouf to do all the negotiations....but the fight still hasn't been made.

I know most feel Bob is a POS and I can see why, but Arum has stepped away from negotiations each and every time and let others try to make this fight happen.

People need to quit believing everything Floyd says.

All Floyd said is take the test...this **** aint rocket science....every time they negotiated they agreed on everything, except that, then pac's camp came out with several interviews saying they agreed, didnt agree, agreed, didnt agree...just take the test

[Khalid X]

How can it make sense if the masses are demanding Mayweather -vs- Pacquaio. WTF. You're talking gibberish. Making May vs Pac on May 5th, would be the best business decision this new decade would ever see!

1. Controversy sells.....and right now a lot of people think Marquez won.

2. With the way Manny has destroyed every great Mexican fighter of recent times, Mexican's finally had some to rally behind

3. All three of those fights have been great, so the potential ppv buyer of the 4th fight knows he is getting a guaranteed great product.

4. Arum gets to keep all the money in house. Also there isn't any headaches as far as dealing with outside promoters etc when it comes to getting this fight done.

5. Fight is Mexico would be huge. Also if MP vs JMM did over 1.2 million, which I felt it did, then the 4th does over 1.5 million buys.

While you may not agree with any of these points, this fight still makes sense from a business perspective.

Does Pacquiao vs Mayweather do more buys and ends up being a bigger fight....absolutely and that's not even debatable. However, Pacquiao vs Marque also is a huge fight as well.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Man, if name calling is stopping this fight from happening, I need to find another sport.

[DE100]

1. Controversy sells.....and right now a lot of people think Marquez won.

And still the people want:

POLL: MAYWEATHER-PACQUIAO VASTLY FAVORED OVER FOURTH MARQUEZ FIGHT
by Ring TV .com
Nov 19th, 2011

Ring TV . com readers were asked the following: Who should Manny Pacquiao fight next -- Floyd Mayweather, Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradley, Sergio Martinez, Brandon Rios, or the winner of Cotto-Margarito?

With 14,218 respondents so far, the overwhelming choice has been Floyd Mayweather Jr. with 10,640 votes (74.8%), followed by Juan Manuel Marquez at 2,116 votes (14.9%), despite the general opinion that Marquez won last weekend's fight against Pacquiao, and amid talk from both sides that a fourth fight between the two might now be a priority.

Other choices in the poll haven't aroused much interest in fans, with Sergio Martinez the next popular choice at 582 votes (4.1%), Tim Bradley at 465 votes (3.3%), the Cotto-Margarito winner at 245 votes (1.7%) and finally Brandon Rios with 170 votes (1.2%)



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[JibbaJabber]

Foolprooof plan: How to make the Mayweather-Pacquiao Super Fight reality now
Michael Marley, Boxing Examiner
November 20, 2011

SANTO DOMINGO

1. Voluntary gag order on loose cannon Bob Arum. He says nothing about nothing until the names of Floyd and Manny are signed on the lines which are dotted. Ditto for Oscar de la Hoya, he must stop his blame game.

2. Gag order imposed on Mayweather henchman Laughing Lenny Ellerbe. One day last week he branded Pacman, Coach Freddie Roach as "cowards" and then a day later opined emphatically that Pacman would insist to Arum that he fight undefeated "Money" next. So which is it, Leonard....is Manny the "coward of the county" or will he demand Bossman Bob get him Mayweather bout? As it stands, your slip is showing. If Big Al Haymon tells Leonard to zip it, the he will. (Michael Koncz will keep his Canadian cool the whole time.)

3. Let Top Rank president Todd duBoef get face to face to with Mr. Haymon. Toddster is in Las Vegas and Haymon in the San Fernando Valley so maybe they can meet at a truck stop in Baker, California, near that fabled giant thermometer. Like Haymon, duBoef likes to run silent, run deep without the braying of Uncle Bob and Mr. Ellerbe.

4. Mandatory Adult Supervision. Meaning that when differences arise, and you know they certainly will on key deal points, HBO suits intervene in the role of faciliation. HBO's interest in getting the fight the world is demanding done is crytsal clear. So when the Mayweather and Pacquiao sides start clawing at each other, they can bring them to relevance, back to reality. There's more than enough moolah for all parties.

5. Money split remains 50-50 on all revenue streams and I do mean all.

6. Obvious site is the MGM Grand Las Vegas unless Jerry Jones steps up to the plate which I doubt.

7. Tradeoffs. For example, Mayweather weighs in first, Manny takes to the scales second. And/or Mayweather does ring walk/entrance first with Pacman entering second.

8. No rematch clause, no encumbrance on future of either superstar. If there is public demand for a sequel or two, it will happen naturally, organically. Don't panic, go organic!

9. Both Floyd and Manny look hard at the other opponent landscape and consider the relative peanuts they will make fighting people other than each other.

10. Both Floyd and Manny give a nod to the ring history they can create.

12. When the contracts are inked and the promotion starts to roll, both sides sing from same hymn book and the constant theme is answering the worldwide fans demands. In other words, you asked for it and now you got it.

all they have to do is sign the contract that has been laying around for two years since they agreed to everything they said osdt was the isssue and they said they agreed. floyd signed his end of the deal so all pacroid and his team have to do is sign the contract..

[IronDanHamza]

There is no way Mayweather will fight in February and May.

Unless he has a ****ty stay busy fight in February then a big one in May.

[Phil Ivey]

1. Controversy sells.....and right now a lot of people think Marquez won.

2. With the way Manny has destroyed every great Mexican fighter of recent times, Mexican's finally had some to rally behind

3. All three of those fights have been great, so the potential ppv buyer of the 4th fight knows he is getting a guaranteed great product.

4. Arum gets to keep all the money in house. Also there isn't any headaches as far as dealing with outside promoters etc when it comes to getting this fight done.

5. Fight is Mexico would be huge. Also if MP vs JMM did over 1.2 million, which I felt it did, then the 4th does over 1.5 million buys.

While you may not agree with any of these points, this fight still makes sense from a business perspective.

Does Pacquiao vs Mayweather do more buys and ends up being a bigger fight....absolutely and that's not even debatable. However, Pacquiao vs Marque also is a huge fight as well.

Then going by your 'business' perspective, Arum would be happily content with Manny never fighting Pac unless he's 100% sure that was Manny's last fight.