Originally posted by LeadUppercut
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No, that is just the official scoreline, but then..... you seem to be one of those pig-ignorant pac-***go7's Mike, so you likely think that compubox figures are important, or even accurate, when they are clearly not...... and you likely think that Williams beat Lara, just because the judges told you so..... so I am not really too willing to take advice from you ![Wink](//krikya360.com/forums/core/images/smilies/wink.png)
These guys ALL know much more about boxing than you do.....
In the pantheon of disgraceful decisions in the history of boxing this one will
go down as one of the most notorious. Juan Manuel Marquez, at the age of 38,
has just seen his best performance in the ring to comprehensively out box, out
think, out work, and out hustle Manny Pacquiao over 12 rounds stolen from him
by three judges who have brought shame to the sport. It was an historic
performance. It should have resulted in a unanimous decision in favour of Juan
Manuel Marquez. Instead he lost and so did the sport of boxing.,,,,
After 12 rounds of what appeared to many at ringside and nearly all of the crowd
of 16,368 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena to be a solid win for Marquez, two ringside
judges saw a fight only a businessman or a blind man could have seen.
Somehow Judge Glenn Trowbridge scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao and Dave Moretti
had it 115-113 for the WBO welterweight titleholder. The third, Robert Hoyle, had it
a draw 114-114. Meanwhile, a number of ringside observers saw Marquez winning 116-112
and as much as 117-112. When Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, was asked in the
ring if he agreed his fighter had beaten Marquez again he waited for a moment before
answering.
“The fight was close,’’ Roach said. “It was very close.’’
Not really. Not unless you brought a pencil to ringside with you.
Later he would say he felt his man pulled it out in the last two rounds while also
conceding “it could have gone either way.’’ As endorsements go, it wasn’t exactly a
ringing one. What was more telling was an hour later when he said, “It’s the kind
of fight I don’t want to do again but we have to. S__t. He’s given us problems three
times.....
Pacquaio “Wins,” Marquez is “robbed” and boxing “loses”.....
The opinions of many within the ringside media and those at the post-fight
press conference were somewhat mixed, but the overwhelming majority felt that
the legend from Mexico City had been robbed. The general consensus is that
Marquez’ counter punching controlled the pace of the contest and that he
landed the harder shots. By: Mike Sloan, ringside in Las Vegas.
By Round 9, the unfathomable seemed more than possible, and people began to
say it out loud: Pacquiao might lose. Pacquiao is losing ~ NYtimes.com
Fighthype - Marquez 115 Pacquiao 113
SecondsOut.com - Marquez 116 Pacquiao 113
Amir Khan / Julio Cesar Chavez - Marquez won !!
Oscar De La Hoya - Marquez won !!
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"
Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!"
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"
ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!"
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"
Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!"
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."
Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez"
Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges."
Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds."
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the **** out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"
Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!"
Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."
Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"
Sugar Ray Leonard said Marquez won!
Marvin Hagler said Marquez won!
Bernard Hopkins said Marquez won!
Floyd Mayweather said Marquez won!
Oscar De La Hoya said Marquez won
Andre Direll said Marquez won!
Zab Judah said Marquez won!
Steve Cunningham said Marquez won!
Anthony Direll said Marquez won!
Matthew Macklin said Marquez won!
Andre Ward said Marquez won!
Terry Norris said Marquez won!
Andre Berto said Marquez won!
Omar Henry said Marquez won!
Chris Arreola said Marquez won!
Rashad Holloway said Marquez won!
Fernando Vargas said Marquez won!
Juan Diaz said Marquez won!
Amir Khan said Marquez won!
Anthony Mundine said Marquez won!
Erik Morales said Marquez won!
Jean Pascal said Marquez won!
Marco Antonio Barrera said Marquez won!
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. said Marquez won!
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. said Marquez won!
Jorge Linares said Marquez won!
Peter Manfredo said Marquez won!
Michael Marley said Marquez won!
Darren Barker said Marquez won!
Marcos Maidana said Marquez won!
Raul Martinez said Marquez won!
J'Leon Love said Marquez won!
Lou DiBella said Marquez won!
Josesito Lopez said Marquez won!
Nazeem Richardson said Marquez won!
Sergio Martinez said Marquez won!
![Wink](http://krikya360.com/forums/core/images/smilies/wink.png)
These guys ALL know much more about boxing than you do.....
In the pantheon of disgraceful decisions in the history of boxing this one will
go down as one of the most notorious. Juan Manuel Marquez, at the age of 38,
has just seen his best performance in the ring to comprehensively out box, out
think, out work, and out hustle Manny Pacquiao over 12 rounds stolen from him
by three judges who have brought shame to the sport. It was an historic
performance. It should have resulted in a unanimous decision in favour of Juan
Manuel Marquez. Instead he lost and so did the sport of boxing.,,,,
After 12 rounds of what appeared to many at ringside and nearly all of the crowd
of 16,368 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena to be a solid win for Marquez, two ringside
judges saw a fight only a businessman or a blind man could have seen.
Somehow Judge Glenn Trowbridge scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao and Dave Moretti
had it 115-113 for the WBO welterweight titleholder. The third, Robert Hoyle, had it
a draw 114-114. Meanwhile, a number of ringside observers saw Marquez winning 116-112
and as much as 117-112. When Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, was asked in the
ring if he agreed his fighter had beaten Marquez again he waited for a moment before
answering.
“The fight was close,’’ Roach said. “It was very close.’’
Not really. Not unless you brought a pencil to ringside with you.
Later he would say he felt his man pulled it out in the last two rounds while also
conceding “it could have gone either way.’’ As endorsements go, it wasn’t exactly a
ringing one. What was more telling was an hour later when he said, “It’s the kind
of fight I don’t want to do again but we have to. S__t. He’s given us problems three
times.....
Pacquaio “Wins,” Marquez is “robbed” and boxing “loses”.....
The opinions of many within the ringside media and those at the post-fight
press conference were somewhat mixed, but the overwhelming majority felt that
the legend from Mexico City had been robbed. The general consensus is that
Marquez’ counter punching controlled the pace of the contest and that he
landed the harder shots. By: Mike Sloan, ringside in Las Vegas.
By Round 9, the unfathomable seemed more than possible, and people began to
say it out loud: Pacquiao might lose. Pacquiao is losing ~ NYtimes.com
Fighthype - Marquez 115 Pacquiao 113
SecondsOut.com - Marquez 116 Pacquiao 113
Amir Khan / Julio Cesar Chavez - Marquez won !!
Oscar De La Hoya - Marquez won !!
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"
Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!"
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"
ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!"
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"
Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!"
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."
Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez"
Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges."
Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds."
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the **** out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"
Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!"
Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."
Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"
Sugar Ray Leonard said Marquez won!
Marvin Hagler said Marquez won!
Bernard Hopkins said Marquez won!
Floyd Mayweather said Marquez won!
Oscar De La Hoya said Marquez won
Andre Direll said Marquez won!
Zab Judah said Marquez won!
Steve Cunningham said Marquez won!
Anthony Direll said Marquez won!
Matthew Macklin said Marquez won!
Andre Ward said Marquez won!
Terry Norris said Marquez won!
Andre Berto said Marquez won!
Omar Henry said Marquez won!
Chris Arreola said Marquez won!
Rashad Holloway said Marquez won!
Fernando Vargas said Marquez won!
Juan Diaz said Marquez won!
Amir Khan said Marquez won!
Anthony Mundine said Marquez won!
Erik Morales said Marquez won!
Jean Pascal said Marquez won!
Marco Antonio Barrera said Marquez won!
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. said Marquez won!
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. said Marquez won!
Jorge Linares said Marquez won!
Peter Manfredo said Marquez won!
Michael Marley said Marquez won!
Darren Barker said Marquez won!
Marcos Maidana said Marquez won!
Raul Martinez said Marquez won!
J'Leon Love said Marquez won!
Lou DiBella said Marquez won!
Josesito Lopez said Marquez won!
Nazeem Richardson said Marquez won!
Sergio Martinez said Marquez won!
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