Lets honestly evaluate floyd's performance vs ortiz.

[TyrantT316]

Floyd does enough of what he has to in order to win and break down his opponents. He doesn't try to overdo his speed, footwork, etc. Ortiz wasn't offering anything Floyd hasn't seen before to keep Floyd on the back foot and potshot. Floyd is so comfortable as a fighter these days that he can stand flatfooted and not have to do much extra work to win.

He's simply too good and held to a higher standard than most in expectation to be perfect. He doesn't need to jump in and out and throw 10 punch rapid combinations. He's simply too smart.

[4Corners]

Floyd was missing with that left hook, was missing with that jab, he didnt land as many jabs as we have seen him against previous southpaws.

But one thing that I did notice that stuck out to me, was that Floyd was movin to his right and not to his left to get a better angle on Ortiz, which explains why those left hands were missing as much.

Ortiz was hitting him, and though I agree Floyd was ahead on points, he wasnt spanking Ortiz the way many of the Floyd supporters here argue.

the way I see this, Roth gave Ortiz round one, it was that close, and if you watch, Floyd won the first 20 seconds of that round with his right hands and won the last 20 seconds of that round with them right hands everything inbetween was Ortizs work, sure the right hands seemed to be cleaner, but you score the round on the full three minutes of work.

Leaderman gave Ortiz the 2nd round, again people have been challenging the scoring when I have brought it up, but lets be real Roth and Leaderman have alot more experience at this game than we do so until one of us can prove that we are a step above them, its safe to say that a ringside official could have scored the first two for Ortiz, though that didnt happen the rounds were that close in which they could have.....

Meaning in terms of rounds it was a close fight in terms of punch stats I am not so sure we can rely on that, Ortiz landed more than what the numbers shown.

Round 1 was close, but I had to give it to Mayweather. I know one judge gave it to Ortiz, but what exactly did Ortiz do to win the round??? Floyd landed the sharper punches with the straight rights, and neither fighter did much. But, Mayweather landed the crisper punches and landed a few more punches than Ortiz.

Round 2 was close as well, with Mayweather still being a bit tentative in the way he was throwing. Ortiz got Floyd on the ropes a few times, but was he landing all those punches??? NO. He landed 8 power shots, 8 punches total since he only throws power punches pretty much, while Floyd landed 13. Most of Floyd's were straight right hands, but Ortiz had much more success in this round. I don't see how you could have given it to either fighter. I scored it even.

Round 3 was all Mayweather. He landed right hands, left hooks, quick counters, and Ortiz didn't do much at all.

Round 4 was all Mayweather for the first 2:00. He even had Ortiz hurt a bit at the opening of the round, when he actually threw a combo, and Ortiz looked dumb founded when he did that. However, the last minute till the headbutt, Ortiz managed to get Floyd on the ropes twice and landed 4-5 punches, while in between Mayweather landed more right hands, than the headbutt happened. Ortiz was being docked a point, and I feel Floyd won this round.

The main thing i see with people who critique everything FLoyd does is that they pay so much attention to when his opponents have him on the ropes for about a good 0:20 in a round, and land 4-5 punches, and they seemingly forget the other 2:40 where it seems like Floyd is landing at will. And they say his opponents were winning the round??? C'mon!

Watch the Mayweather-Judah fight. The first 4 rounds, Mayweather had a ton of trouble landing on Judah, but he started opening up in the 5th, and won the fight by a large margin. I remember watching Mayweather-Judah, and I think Floyd had only landed like 30% of his punches through round 4, while he ended up landing 44% of his punches. Floyd was also more active in this fight against Ortiz than in any other fight in a long time. He threw 210 punches in 4 rounds. Ortiz didn't throw nearly as much, mainly because Floyd was having success walking him down. Victor doesn't know how to fight backing up. I think Floyd struggles a bit with Southpaws in the early going (Rounds 1-3 or 4), but he finds himself and figures out what he can do. Against Ortiz, he started opening up after round 2, and a boxing clinic was unfolding. It wasn't dominate, mainly because it lasted 4 rounds, and I am just upset it didn't last longer. Ortiz is a fast starter, Floyd is a slow starter. He neutralized Ortiz' best weapon, his exsplosive offense, and got hit 26 times in 4 rounds. Not to mention the rabbitt punches on the back of Floyd's head, I know you saw those and those were landed punches for some reason.

Mayweather loked pretty good.

[STRUGG]

floyd SUCKER punch ...................cherry picked ortiz...........nothing can change that.................

[Carpe Diem]

He landed only 41% of his punches in the first four rounds against Shane Mosley, it just shows that he gets stronger and more accurate in the later rounds. People are worrying too much about the punches he missed, he wasn't as accurate when he fought Hatton as well. He missed lots of punches that he usually landed.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Round 1 was close, but I had to give it to Mayweather. I know one judge gave it to Ortiz, but what exactly did Ortiz do to win the round??? Floyd landed the sharper punches with the straight rights, and neither fighter did much. But, Mayweather landed the crisper punches and landed a few more punches than Ortiz.

Round 2 was close as well, with Mayweather still being a bit tentative in the way he was throwing. Ortiz got Floyd on the ropes a few times, but was he landing all those punches??? NO. He landed 8 power shots, 8 punches total since he only throws power punches pretty much, while Floyd landed 13. Most of Floyd's were straight right hands, but Ortiz had much more success in this round. I don't see how you could have given it to either fighter. I scored it even.

Round 3 was all Mayweather. He landed right hands, left hooks, quick counters, and Ortiz didn't do much at all.

Round 4 was all Mayweather for the first 2:00. He even had Ortiz hurt a bit at the opening of the round, when he actually threw a combo, and Ortiz looked dumb founded when he did that. However, the last minute till the headbutt, Ortiz managed to get Floyd on the ropes twice and landed 4-5 punches, while in between Mayweather landed more right hands, than the headbutt happened. Ortiz was being docked a point, and I feel Floyd won this round.

The main thing i see with people who critique everything FLoyd does is that they pay so much attention to when his opponents have him on the ropes for about a good 0:20 in a round, and land 4-5 punches, and they seemingly forget the other 2:40 where it seems like Floyd is landing at will. And they say his opponents were winning the round??? C'mon!

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The 4th round can be misleading if your not paying close attention, When Mayweather did open up, Ortiz blocked alot of those shots as well as ate plenty as well, However when you point out Ortiz was hurt, Watch it again and watch it close, Mayweather opens up with a series of shots, Grabs Ortiz with his left hand pulls him down and hits hiim while holding him with a right hand.....

[Cash Cow]

he's exactly the same, it's becuase he's fighting some of the best fighter's he's ever faced fighters, old mosley and best southpaw he's faced(after being hurt by corley and kd'd by judah) in ortiz

it's only normal, he even got caught with a couple of right hands by the much smaller and blown up marquez

he had trouble with hatton

honestly, people act like floyd is roy jones in his prime with the domination, floyd is nowhere near

Mayweather has fought much better opposition then Roy ever did in his prime

[SplitSecond]

Mayweather has fought much better opposition then Roy ever did in his prime

roy has two prime "ATG's" in his resume, who are the ATG's in floyds resume?

[Cash Cow]

Floyd does enough of what he has to in order to win and break down his opponents. He doesn't try to overdo his speed, footwork, etc. Ortiz wasn't offering anything Floyd hasn't seen before to keep Floyd on the back foot and potshot. Floyd is so comfortable as a fighter these days that he can stand flatfooted and not have to do much extra work to win.

He's simply too good and held to a higher standard than most in expectation to be perfect. He doesn't need to jump in and out and throw 10 punch rapid combinations. He's simply too smart.

THIS^^^

Exactly what I try to explain to people, why fight a guy in 6th gear when you can beat him in 2nd?

[Cash Cow]

floyd SUCKER punch ...................cherry picked ortiz...........nothing can change that.................

[The Big Dunn]

Ok to me floyd's reflexes are not what they were for the marquez fight. He got hit with a few shots that he would not have gotten hit with 3-4 years ago. Also floyd's handspeed definately looked slower in this fight. I'm not saying that because he wasn't landing often ortiz (Because he was landed a decent ammount) but to me he just doesn't look anywhere near as quick as people are saying he is and how he looked spectacular.

I think floyd was winning 3 rounds to 1 when the fight ended.

Floyd won fair and square in my eyes i'm just saying I think he is way past it and for all the training he did for this fight he is starting to look old.

Anyone else want to elaborate?

He was whippin vic's ass and KO'd him, honestly.