Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Convinced Mayweather Using Ortiz To Prepare

[MartialBoxing]

ortiz does have a fairly good chance @ upsetting fmj. as long as he has been training smart and hard, working on his guard, combinations, and footwork, so he isnt caught in the middle of throwing or analyzing.. i actually give ortiz a 50/50 shot, easily.

...now about floyd and pac..... i hope it happens, just like every1 else, but im not feeding into anymore hype. i hope they both have explosive fights and make interesting, exciting matchups afterwards

[GRUSTLER]

Come on Grustler...who has he beat? Look at his resume, up until 2 years ago, nobody knew who he was because he was fighting bum azz competition. in 2008 he fought a dude that was 14-10-0 in a 4 rounder. 2 fights before that he fought a guy that was 3-34-2. He hasnt beat any elite guys yet IMO. Williams has always been overrated as well as Pavlik. Martinez has not displayed the boxing skills that would beat Mayweather.

Fam, regardless of who Martinez beat, he still beat guys that wasn't done off. He moved up and beat the bigger Pavlik getting off of the canvas. Bhop was/is bigger than Kelly. Remember that Pavlik had to move up to fight Pop Hops. Also, he went to war with Williams at a time that no one wanted Williams and had Paul as the most dangerous guy in the sport and then in the rematch he blasted dude into space. THEN he kicked Sergei's ass and drop him 5 times when the guy has NEVER been on the canvas and then stopped him.

ALSO Sergei had this razor jab that was supposedly going to give Martinez problems. He was robbed in the Cintron fight of a KO. Martinez may not be as big a name or had the opportunity to fight the guys Floyd fought but I can see when a fighter has some serious skill and Sergio Martinez is the real deal. I give Floyd a chance whoever he fights because no one has figured out a way to beat him but fact of the matter is that Martinez knows how to box, is a lefty, has size, speed and power. Fight for me is 50/50 only because Floyd is undefeated.

[pugay_kamay]

All of these bunches of texts you folks have been bothering to write are totally irrelevant. Floyd and his fans always end up claiming Pac is never going to take the test, anyway. That's the point I'm making. Why bother about the Pac fight then if that is what you believe? Normal thing to do is move on and look for other fighters for Floyd like Martinez. He's willing to take the test. Clear?

;-)

For sure they will reply the same text/content.

They can't move on.

[Gooch999]

usada and isit wada? will be the stumbling block on mayweather pac theres no way pac won't train in philipines and usada aren't allowed to test there right? Floyd won't have phillipinos testing in their labs

[WESS]

All of these bunches of texts you folks have been bothering to write are totally irrelevant. Floyd and his fans always end up claiming Pac is never going to take the test, anyway. That's the point I'm making. Why bother about the Pac fight then if that is what you believe? Normal thing to do is move on and look for other fighters for Floyd like Martinez. He's willing to take the test. Clear?

;-)

Tottally "irrelevant"? How do "fans" have anything to do with what Mayweather and Pac are saying? These "texts" are what the FIGHTERS are saying, not what the "irrelevant" fans are saying. Are you confused?

Pac said there are no issues with the OST but doesn't really need the fight, however if Ortiz beats Mayweather (who Pac thinks has a good chance) will look to fight him.

So now you want "fans" to look the other way and forget the fight?
Pac said he agrees and Mayweather's talking about the biggest contract ever. Other than Pac saying he doesn't need the fight now and would look to fight Ortiz, everyone is looking for the fight to take place. Especially since the USADA is not biased anymore towards the pac and there are no issues (2 years later).

Now the "fans" are only concerned with Pac needing to fight Ortiz but not needing to fight Mayweather.

[Brother Jay]

Fam, regardless of who Martinez beat, he still beat guys that wasn't done off.

Wow ... regardless of who he beat?????

If it doesn't matter who you fight, then how do you discern who has the better career? The man has as much padding as Pacquiao had when he was hiding out in southeast Asia.

He moved up and beat the bigger Pavlik getting off of the canvas. Bhop was/is bigger than Kelly. Remember that Pavlik had to move up to fight Pop Hops.

My man, Pavlik was a mess. His fight against Martinez was supposed to be his comeback fight. Let's not forget reports that Pavlik had fallen apart behind his loss to BHOP. I'm not saying that Martinez shouldn't get credit for beating Pavlik. What I am saying is that the credit for beating Pavlik after being dominated and dejected isn't the same as when Pavlik was confident and undefeated.

[b]Also, he went to war with Williams at a time that no one wanted Williams and had Paul as the most dangerous guy in the sport and then in the rematch he blasted dude into space.

Dude, how can you say that no one wanted to fight Williams? Margarito fought Williams and lost. Quintana fought Williams and exposed his flaws. All Martinez did was follow the blueprint that Quintana laid out. Cintron was more than willing to fight Williams. Lara did the same exact thing.

Again, Martinez deserves credit for the win, but its not like we didn't see Paul Williams exposed in the same exact way before. Its worth mentioning that Paul is 1 & 1 with Martinez.

THEN he kicked Sergei's ass and drop him 5 times when the guy has NEVER been on the canvas and then stopped him.

ALSO Sergei had this razor jab that was supposedly going to give Martinez problems.

No one ever thought that Sergei was going to be anything special. Look at his record. His biggest win probably came over Daniel Santos.

He was robbed in the Cintron fight of a KO.

That may be so, but he isn't the first to be handed a "L" unjustifiably.

Martinez may not be as big a name or had the opportunity to fight the guys Floyd fought but I can see when a fighter has some serious skill and Sergio Martinez is the real deal.

Martinez has had opportunities. You make your own opportunities by winning. Martinez has skills. No one questioned that, but skills alone do not mean anything. Ishe Smith was supposed to have tremendous skills and abilities. Many in the sport say that about him. However, we see that he has has NOT risen to the top of the sport. Whatever the reason, Ishe is NOT an elite fighter despite having what some describe as incredible potential and skills.

Martinez' record tells the same story.

The man has some wins over big names in the twilight of his career.

That does not make him the best. That does not make him #1. That does not make him a P4P fighter.

Why?

Because there is plenty of talent around Martinez that he has strategically avoided and continues to avoid in favor of seeking fights with 2 men that are 2 divisions below where he currently competes. To be great, you have to do great things, and beating Pavlik after he was humiliated by BHOP and catching Williams after he was exposed by Quintana are good fights, but they aren't great. Yes, Williams was an exciting knockout, but an exciting KO is not a gauge of how great a boxer is when the opponent has already been shown as having a serious defensive flaw.

I give Floyd a chance whoever he fights because no one has figured out a way to beat him but fact of the matter is that Martinez knows how to box, is a lefty, has size, speed and power. Fight for me is 50/50 only because Floyd is undefeated.

I think any fight is 50/50 just because anything can happen. You think that anyone thought that Max Schmeling had a chance against Joe Louis?

**** happened.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is the best boxer of this era. No doubt about it. His style is more dynamic and technical than any other boxer of this era. He's still human though. If he can be touched, he can be hurt. Mosley showed us that. He's human, but he's a master boxer, and the task of defeating him (barring a lucky shot on the button) won't be easy for anyone.

One big shot can turn ANY match around. Just ask George Foreman.

I can see how you could feel the way you do, but that in itself is part of the problem.

Today's so-called elite is being hailed as great WITHOUT having done anything great.

99% of these guys have no longevity at the top.

Most haven't spent their careers fighting top opposition WHICH IS DEFINED as men ranked at #1, 2 & 3.

Many of them have TONS of padding. We are talking about 40+ fights before actually stepping up to the world championship stage. Pacquiao and Martinez being 2 of them.

Many of them have sought to capture vacant titles in place of defeating champions for their championships.

If you don't do great things, how can you be considered great, Grustler?

That's all I want to know.

Could you imagine if Ray Robinson didn't do the things he did?

Robinson lost to Lamotta and then went on a 91 fight winning streak. That's longer than most people's careers. No one has that kind of longevity at the top, but they should strive for it against top opposition!

Being undefeated is a great accomplishment ONLY when you've fought the best. Otherwise its just an indication that you've avoided real competition.

No one today outside of BHOP & Mayweather have longevity like that, and BHOP didn't really step up his efforts until 12 years into his career.

Its time for fans to stop calling these guys who win their last big fight "great" or "P4P#1" or "HOF's" or "ATGs". Its ridiculous over-praise.

No matter how big a threat a man is perceived to be, his career cannot be considered even good unless he does something to warrant it being called that.

Putting on a great fight doesn't mean that a fighter or his career is great. That's the cold truth. Irish Mickey Ward was NOT great and neither was his career. He was a good pug, but its ridiculous and really unfair to measure him against boxing's elite. Yet Ward gave us three of the most exciting matches boxing had seen since Hagler/Hearns against Arturo Gatti(RIP).

I like Martinez, but he hasn't proven enough for anyone to have anything special to say about him.

[Paclan]

if floyd beats the bigger, faster, younger harder hitting, more talented ortiz that means the pac fight would be a walk in the park. We will see

you are so ******.......... jeez..........

Pacquiao would make ortiz quit faster than maidana did- maybe 4th round.

[LeadUppercut]

you are so ******.......... jeez..........

Pacquiao would make ortiz quit faster than maidana did- maybe 4th round.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Silly flag-waving kid.

[ncpitbull]

It's either you're delusional or ******ed or both. Hatton was leading on all score cards and mine as well. Hatton was Ko'ed not because of Mayweather's weak pot-shot but the ring post did the more damaged that KO's him.

Actually these were the official scores at the time of the stoppage.

time: 1:35 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Paul Smith 88-82 | judge: Dave Moretti 89-81 | judge: Burt A. Clements 89-81

All in favor of Mayweather.

[GRUSTLER]

Wow ... regardless of who he beat?????

If it doesn't matter who you fight, then how do you discern who has the better career? The man has as much padding as Pacquiao had when he was hiding out in southeast Asia.



My man, Pavlik was a mess. His fight against Martinez was supposed to be his comeback fight. Let's not forget reports that Pavlik had fallen apart behind his loss to BHOP. I'm not saying that Martinez shouldn't get credit for beating Pavlik. What I am saying is that the credit for beating Pavlik after being dominated and dejected isn't the same as when Pavlik was confident and undefeated.



Dude, how can you say that no one wanted to fight Williams? Margarito fought Williams and lost. Quintana fought Williams and exposed his flaws. All Martinez did was follow the blueprint that Quintana laid out. Cintron was more than willing to fight Williams. Lara did the same exact thing.

Again, Martinez deserves credit for the win, but its not like we didn't see Paul Williams exposed in the same exact way before. Its worth mentioning that Paul is 1 & 1 with Martinez.



No one ever thought that Sergei was going to be anything special. Look at his record. His biggest win probably came over Daniel Santos.



That may be so, but he isn't the first to be handed a "L" unjustifiably.



Martinez has had opportunities. You make your own opportunities by winning. Martinez has skills. No one questioned that, but skills alone do not mean anything. Ishe Smith was supposed to have tremendous skills and abilities. Many in the sport say that about him. However, we see that he has has NOT risen to the top of the sport. Whatever the reason, Ishe is NOT an elite fighter despite having what some describe as incredible potential and skills.

Martinez' record tells the same story.

The man has some wins over big names in the twilight of his career.

That does not make him the best. That does not make him #1. That does not make him a P4P fighter.

Why?

Because there is plenty of talent around Martinez that he has strategically avoided and continues to avoid in favor of seeking fights with 2 men that are 2 divisions below where he currently competes. To be great, you have to do great things, and beating Pavlik after he was humiliated by BHOP and catching Williams after he was exposed by Quintana are good fights, but they aren't great. Yes, Williams was an exciting knockout, but an exciting KO is not a gauge of how great a boxer is when the opponent has already been shown as having a serious defensive flaw.



I think any fight is 50/50 just because anything can happen. You think that anyone thought that Max Schmeling had a chance against Joe Louis?

**** happened.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is the best boxer of this era. No doubt about it. His style is more dynamic and technical than any other boxer of this era. He's still human though. If he can be touched, he can be hurt. Mosley showed us that. He's human, but he's a master boxer, and the task of defeating him (barring a lucky shot on the button) won't be easy for anyone.

One big shot can turn ANY match around. Just ask George Foreman.

I can see how you could feel the way you do, but that in itself is part of the problem.

Today's so-called elite is being hailed as great WITHOUT having done anything great.

99% of these guys have no longevity at the top.

Most haven't spent their careers fighting top opposition WHICH IS DEFINED as men ranked at #1, 2 & 3.

Many of them have TONS of padding. We are talking about 40+ fights before actually stepping up to the world championship stage. Pacquiao and Martinez being 2 of them.

Many of them have sought to capture vacant titles in place of defeating champions for their championships.

If you don't do great things, how can you be considered great, Grustler?

That's all I want to know.

Could you imagine if Ray Robinson didn't do the things he did?

Robinson lost to Lamotta and then went on a 91 fight winning streak. That's longer than most people's careers. No one has that kind of longevity at the top, but they should strive for it against top opposition!

Being undefeated is a great accomplishment ONLY when you've fought the best. Otherwise its just an indication that you've avoided real competition.

No one today outside of BHOP & Mayweather have longevity like that, and BHOP didn't really step up his efforts until 12 years into his career.

Its time for fans to stop calling these guys who win their last big fight "great" or "P4P#1" or "HOF's" or "ATGs". Its ridiculous over-praise.

No matter how big a threat a man is perceived to be, his career cannot be considered even good unless he does something to warrant it being called that.

Putting on a great fight doesn't mean that a fighter or his career is great. That's the cold truth. Irish Mickey Ward was NOT great and neither was his career. He was a good pug, but its ridiculous and really unfair to measure him against boxing's elite. Yet Ward gave us three of the most exciting matches boxing had seen since Hagler/Hearns against Arturo Gatti(RIP).

I like Martinez, but he hasn't proven enough for anyone to have anything special to say about him.

You wrote all of that in a reply to agree with me anyway that the fight would be 50/50? Listen, I know how great of a technician Floyd Mayweather Jr is in the ring but Sergio Martinez is a technician as well. On top of being a very good boxer/fighter. Dude is durable as hell, is a south paw, bigger and has some good speed. Floyd would have to totally bring the fight to Martinez because Sergio can box and use the ring also. I said a year or so ago that a fight with Mayweather/Martinez would be a chess match. Martinez fought the best opposition in 2010 and that cannot be denied. That Paul Williams KO is a very special thing and the fact that he got off of his ass and beat up Kelly Pavlik is not too shabby as well considering Pavlik was hitting bigger fighters like bricks putting them out. Pavlik was the middle weight champion of the division. You know me and I have never felt anyone in around Floyd's weight class could beat him but at 154. I wouldn't doubt that Sergio can do it.