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Ok just checked out some MMA/UFC fight, why the hell is that crap compared to boxing?
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Originally posted by The Crackhouse View PostThat's one of the many downfalls of the sports. These wrestlers who just lay on top of you and do nothing are complete jokes. At the same time there are wrestlers who get on top of you and don't stop beating the **** out of you...
kinda like this fine gentlemen right here. The heavyweight champ.
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Because Vana Too White says is better. Personally, I like professionals and see the MMA as entertaining street fighting, but NOT professional.
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Originally posted by Davros? View PostAs a UK fan I don’t get much exposure to this "sport" so I thought with a lot of people talking about it over in Amercia I would check some highlights and a few fights out on youtube. After about 5 fights and some submission highlights plus I saw a fight in walkabout I have come to the conclusion that its simply dreadful. I mean I just can’t believe that anyone would even consider that to be better to watch than boxing. The submission are comical the punching technique was a total joke the kicks made the guys look like a bunch of girls (at one point I burst out laughing). People moan about the holding in boxing but it seemed even worse in the MMA fights I watched but I suppose that’s the point.
This is no offence to guys that like MMA but I just don’t see what you see in it, I am unsure why with the long history and tradition of quality boxing in America that the country would even consider dumping it for that trash stuff.
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Originally posted by The Crackhouse View PostThat's one of the many downfalls of the sports. These wrestlers who just lay on top of you and do nothing are complete jokes. At the same time there are wrestlers who get on top of you and don't stop beating the **** out of you...
kinda like this fine gentlemen right here. The heavyweight champ.
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MMA is never going to be as exciting as boxing. I've been watching MMA for over 20 years and boxing for decades.
MMA does have a skill-set. Its not specialized as boxing, so the fighters for the most part do become jacks of all trades, masters of none. The grappling aspect is the highest form of skill you'll find in those events, and its definitely NOT the grappling part that sells the tickets.
Boxing has a rich history and is probably the oldest sport still going in America. There are different levels of skill, but at the highest level its a thing of beauty to watch. Boxing, like baseball, has played a role in the socio-political stages of America. Its an amazing sport that has had so many special moments that it is landmark of American history in its own right.
MMA is not new. In comparison to boxing it is new, but in terms of how long its been around MMA has been televised since the 80's. All one had to do was watch a Shooto or Pancrase event and you were basically watching MMA. And IMO it was better back then. Not showcasing, but the format was IMO.
Boxing showcases the best boxers. No fighter from any other sport is going to come in and beat a top level boxer no matter how much success he's enjoyed in his own sport ... unless weight is not an issue.
MMA has seen rookies come in and KO champions. The reason is that there is very little room for mastery outside of grappling in MMA. Proof of that is seen in the fact that MMA fighters only excel at grappling.
MMA fighters won't win in K-1. MMA fighters won't win in pro boxing. The only chance that they have to dominate is in grappling events like the Abu Dhabi .. an all grappling/no striking event.
MMA has excitement, but MMA overestimates its fanbase's combat IQ. Although deep and intricate, grappling will NEVER have the appeal of striking. Its just a simple truth. That's why a mediocre competitor like Kimbo Slice can be much more popular than a masterful grappler like Nogueira. People remember the guy who delivers the knockdowns and knockouts.
Its a shame but its true: the average, casual fan HATES thinking. They just want to be entertained, and anything aside from landing bombs, knockdowns and knockouts requires a refined appreciation beyond the primal screams of the typical Colosseum chanter.
MMA changed its format years ago from allowing average joes to pros to compete with whatever they've learned, to creating a dominant format which consisted of stand up kickboxing, to in-fighting with muay thai, to using BJJ(submission wrestling) and ground and pound once it hit the ground. Its the same ole same ole.
The heads of MMA wised up though. Each federation has its "out-of-the-box" competitors. Those guys that came in with their own styles outside of the dominant boring format. Cropcop, Coleman, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, Igor Vovchanchyn, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, BJJ Penn, Jon Jones, Cung Le, Josh Barnett, etc. These gusy were stars because they were dominant without having to conform to the cookie cutter styles that MMA had laid out.
But the real question is how many "out-of-the-box" competitors does a federation need to keep their events exciting and fresh? Its basically like saying "I'll make my event 90% fluff and 10% substance with the main event".
How many people want to see two guys putting on a mediocre kickboxing match until someone closes the distance and attempts either a takedown or some muay thai knees and low kicks? Then it turns into a grappling match where two men wrestle around on the ground for 10 minutes or so.
That's where MMA loses a lot of people. You can only see that but so many times a night, and the matches look a lot alike. It forces people to look deeper into the grappling to appreciate the subtle differences, and that's something that most are NOT willing to do.
Originally posted by Player3 View PostFedor was a Eastern Euro hypejob that got exposed as soon as he stepped up his level competition and just got PWN'T by a 41 year old grandfather.
Sheilds, Rampage, Silva all fought and DEFEATED a better version of Dan Henderson and Fedor couldn't last 5 minutes with the old decrepit grampa version HAHAHAHAHA.
Eastern Euro's are the worst athletes EVER and can't compete at the highest level in any sport unless they're competing in a dead FAT era of said sport.
Fans like you are the kind that like to piss on a great fighter once he's lost or declined. Fans like you said that once Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Ali, Ray Leonard, Roy Jones lost that they were all "hypejobs".
Cut the bull****.
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mma is just more exciting.. if theres 2 boring ass dude in boxing i dont wanna watch that for 12 rounds. in mma if u have 2 sorry ass dudes going at it atleast for a non title bout it'll be over in 3. so u aint gotta sit through all 12 boring ass rounds just to get to the next match.
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Originally posted by iNDOLiFER View Posttrue, because pacman comes to fight. im also into mma and every person i talked to when the boxing subject comes up they hate on floyd all the time and thats the truth it doesnt matter what color skin that person is, all mma fans that i know will talk ***** about floyd.
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different strokes for different folks...i must admit that there is a sense of showmanship in MMA/UFC that attracts me to it because of my younger WWE days..but i too used watch it for the slobber knockin and hated the ground stuff..but it slowly grew on me as i learned about the sport more..and in general i just watch all combat sports (MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai, K1)....but what ive recognized is that Boxing seems to be an acquired taste, like if you understand the sweet science you will know its brilliance..where as MMA is more approachable in the sense that its friendly to short attention span and aesthetically people love brawls..i can never get my girl to watch some boxing with me..but she loves MMA, maybe all that ground stuffLast edited by rainmaker89; 09-02-2011, 10:53 AM.
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