Pacquiao more accurate puncher than Mayweather

[D4thincarnation]

I dont get how u feel Manny is a more accurate puncher when Floyd whole style is about timing, precition, and accurate punching, Floyd IMO is the better accurate puncher. The reason y is b/c he outboxes his opponets without having to expend a lot of energy, the way he places his punches and the timing are perfect, where as for manny he is a one dimentional fighter that is strong and throws a lot of punches, he relize on his skill to win the fight, I personally enjoy both fighters but IMO Floyd whole style is about the sweet science of boxing where manny's is just throw punches in bunches and wears his opponent down. I just feel at the end of the day its like compairing 2 basketball players which do you prefer? A player that is the better overall player or a player that shoot a high volume of shots an puts up crazy #'s. An for you to take the jab out is ****** as hell!! Thats like taking mannys power shots out the equation, the jab is floyds punch, and is mannys set up punch so y would you take that out? SMH!

I say it because thats what the compubox stats say. The way Pacquiao fights you would expect his accuracy to be much lower than Floyd's because of the way he fights. But Pacquiao is remarkably accurate.

[Brother Jay]

Nothing wrong with catchweight, many great fighters have fought at catchweights.

Not at weights where they could make the division limit!!!

Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have exclusively used weight manipulation over and over to make a legacy.

Boxing - The art of hitting and not getting hit back. Which means it consists of both offense and defense. This is why people call Floyd a pure boxer. Manny Pacquiao, although his defense has gotten better, he prefers to fistfight with his opponents. If you **** with Manny Pacquiao, its simple. You're not going to win. Floyd is not a ****er. He's a boxer. See the difference??

And as for this thread, yes Manny Pacquiao lands more power punches than Floyd. That is no surprise. But the fact that you excluded the jab because its used to set up punches rather than hurt is ******. The jab has more uses than setting up punches. And trust me. If used correctly a jab can be used to hurt. I've sparred plenty of times and there were times when I would try to be aggressive and come in strong but I ran right into his jab, which stopped me right in my tracks as well (also gave me a nose bleed). There is a difference when you're just getting jabbed and when you COLLIDE with a jab. In fact I believe that Floyd dropped an opponent with a jab to the body. So how are you going to tell me a jab is not a hurting punch, when that jab that made my nose bleed hurt me??

Tell that to Larry Holmes, Ike Quartey and Winky Wright! The jab has always been the cornerstone of western boxing. And the only reason Manny has been able to do as well despite that fact is because he is not fighting WW boxers who have their legs or stamina due to cutting weight.

And no matter how many more punches Manny lands, power or jab, accuracy is measured by how many are thrown as well.

Mayweather wastes few punches. He MAKES them count. Manny throws many punches that don't land and then keeps up a work rate where he can still land a lot.

Two different scenarios. If you only focus on punches landed as opposed to punches land in conjunction with punches thrown, you will get a skewed perception of reality.

This topic is as ****** as it gets. Its an attempt to seem intellectual when in truth its just one person with a stoic temperament trying to fudge the numbers so that a media creation can seem like he's better at something than he really is.

[JayDee2700]

I say it because thats what the compubox stats say. The way Pacquiao fights you would expect his accuracy to be much lower than Floyd's because of the way he fights. But Pacquiao is remarkably accurate.

But that is if you take out the Jab right? I dont think Manny is not accurate, I just dont think he is more accurate then Floyd, Floyd was an one of the best combinaton punchers Ive seen back in the pretty boy days, but Manny is one of the best combination puncher ive seen. But the other thing is that sum of manny's fights ended in KO/TKO(Hatton, Cotto, Oscar DL) where Floyds fights have gone 12 rounds(except Hatton) You have to factor an equal # of rounds to even make this accurate, So u using compubox stats are a little flawed my friend.

[D4thincarnation]

Not at weights where they could make the division limit!!!

Pacquiao is the only boxer in history to have exclusively used weight manipulation over and over to make a legacy.



Tell that to Larry Holmes, Ike Quartey and Winky Wright! The jab has always been the cornerstone of western boxing. And the only reason Manny has been able to do as well despite that fact is because he is not fighting WW boxers who have their legs or stamina due to cutting weight.

And no matter how many more punches Manny lands, power or jab, accuracy is measured by how many are thrown as well.

Mayweather wastes few punches. He MAKES them count. Manny throws many punches that don't land and then keeps up a work rate where he can still land a lot.

Two different scenarios. If you only focus on punches landed as opposed to punches land in conjunction with punches thrown, you will get a skewed perception of reality.

This topic is as ****** as it gets. Its an attempt to seem intellectual when in truth its just one person with a stoic temperament trying to fudge the numbers so that a media creation can seem like he's better at something than he really is.

Pacquiao 52% power punch average from his last 6 fights
Mayweather 50.2% power punch average from his last 6 fights.

[WESS]

Boxing/pugilism is about striking with your fists, that my definition

Go watch MMA, they also "strike" with feet and elbows.

Floyd Mayweather is a "pure boxer" which is best described by the title of a book by one time Featherweight great Jim Driscoll, entitled "Outboxing, Or Long Range Fighting. (1921)." This style consists of boxers like Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Willie Pep, Tommy Loughran, Billy Conn, Maxie Rosenbloom, Muhammad Ali, and Pernell Whitaker.

Does Pac's style or "boxing" abilities represent any of these fighters?

I personally see Pac more as a "slugger", which is one of the reasons he's fan favorite. Lacking the exquisite boxing skills of the "fancy dan" boxer types, the slugger is characterized primarily by his punching power. Yet, I can see Pac more as a combination of a "slugger" and a "boxer-puncher". A "boxer-puncher" possesses many but not all of the qualities of the pure-boxer; hand speed, often an outstanding jab (yet Pac lacks the jab so you completely ignore the jabs), combinations and/or counter-punching skills, better defense and accuracy than a slugger, while possessing slugger type power. In general the boxer-puncher lacks the mobility and defensive expertise of the pure boxer. Which is why Pac gets hit a lot. Examples of a "boxer-puncher" are Joe Gans, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Ike Williams, Alexis Arguello, Tommy Hearns, Felix Trinidad and Erik Morales.

Pac is not by any means known as a "pure-boxer" and nor does his numbers represent that he's a better "boxer" (see my definition) than Floyd Mayweather.

Boxing: Hit and don't get hit.

[Brother Jay]

Go watch MMA, they also "strike" with feet and elbows.

Floyd Mayweather is a "pure boxer" which is best described by the title of a book by one time Featherweight great Jim Driscoll, entitled "Outboxing, Or Long Range Fighting. (1921)." This style consists of boxers like Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Willie Pep, Tommy Loughran, Billy Conn, Maxie Rosenbloom, Muhammad Ali, and Pernell Whitaker.

Does Pac's style or "boxing" abilities represent any of these fighters?

I personally see Pac more as a "slugger", which is one of the reasons he's fan favorite. Lacking the exquisite boxing skills of the "fancy dan" boxer types, the slugger is characterized primarily by his punching power. Yet, I can see Pac more as a combination of a "slugger" and a "boxer-puncher". A "boxer-puncher" possesses many but not all of the qualities of the pure-boxer; hand speed, often an outstanding jab (yet Pac lacks the jab so you completely ignore the jabs), combinations and/or counter-punching skills, better defense and accuracy than a slugger, while possessing slugger type power. In general the boxer-puncher lacks the mobility and defensive expertise of the pure boxer. Which is why Pac gets hit a lot. Examples of a "boxer-puncher" are Joe Gans, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Ike Williams, Alexis Arguello, Tommy Hearns, Felix Trinidad and Erik Morales.

Pac is not by any means known as a "pure-boxer" and nor does his numbers represent that he's a better "boxer" (see my definition) than Floyd Mayweather.

Boxing: Hit and don't get hit.

Wess, do you really see Pacquiao as a boxer-puncher?

I don't see how. Pacquiao primarily throws this combination:

jab, jab straight left

The only variation he uses nowadays is to finish off with a hook instead of the straight left.

I consider Marquez as a boxer puncher. His combinations are BEAUTIFUL.

There is nothing monotonous about Marquez combinations.

The same cannot be said about Pacquioa.

Go to youtube and pull up one of his fights.

It doesn't matter which one.

Watch and see if I am exaggerating.

jab, jab straight left

Let me know what you think afterwards.

[WESS]

Wess, do you really see Pacquiao as a boxer-puncher?

I don't see how. Pacquiao primarily throws this combination:

jab, jab straight left

The only variation he uses nowadays is to finish off with a hook instead of the straight left.

I consider Marquez as a boxer puncher. His combinations are BEAUTIFUL.

There is nothing monotonous about Marquez combinations.

The same cannot be said about Pacquioa.

Go to youtube and pull up one of his fights.

It doesn't matter which one.

Watch and see if I am exaggerating.

jab, jab straight left

Let me know what you think afterwards.

I've seen many videos. I was a huge fan of his before 2008. I think he's gotten better over the years from a straight up one handed slugger to a more of a boxer puncher. Part is due to perfectly matched opposition and the other is actually learning to box and move.

At the end of the day he's not a pure boxer but does display boxing abilities with a punch. I think its fair to say he's a slugger with a boxer-puncher skill set but by no means is he a pure boxer. He's just not and the screwed numbers that try and justify that he is a better boxer than Floyd is misleading and manipulated with an agenda. Its damn near lying.

btw, JMM had that jab, jab straight left perfectly timed

[skillswin]

bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[D4thincarnation]

bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you worked out that 52 > 50.2 yet?

[Everywhere]

Have you worked out that 52 > 50.2 yet?

You couldn't have gotten owned any worse than you did in this thread, just look at the poll. Manny usually wins every poll on this site. Here you are still trying to sound right. Face it.