Comments Thread For: Marquez Vows: I'm Ready To Die in The Pacquiao Fight!

[Lope Sarreal]

woe

“Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts!”
Believe me, Marquez if there will be a trilogy, will ride his bicycle because
Mexicans don't run.

[Lope Sarreal]

checkmate !

Arum: Pacquiao camp OKs random testing
abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 07/09/2011 10:36 PM | Updated as of 07/09/2011 10:36 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Boxing promoter Bob Arum said the camp of Manny Pacquiao has agreed to random drug testing for the superfight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. to push through.

Arum said in an ESPN report that the Filipino boxing superstar agreed to random testing as long as it will be done by a neutral organization.

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum said. "We don't believe USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) is a neutral organization.”

Arum said they can arrange for an Olympic organization to handle the random drug testing.

He added that the drug tests will be supervised by an athletic commission respective of the state where the fight will take place.

"I don't think anybody's test is as vigorous as the test administered by the Olympic Organization,” said Arum.

Mayweather earlier said that he will only agree to a superfight against Pacquiao if the latter undergoes USADA random drug testing.

“If Mayweather says he's agreeable to us, then we can have the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight next year," said Arum.

Pacquiao is already scheduled for a third fight against Juan Manuel Marquez on November 12.

Mayweather, on the other hand, will clash against Victor Ortiz on September 17.

Boxing observers believe Mayweather chose to fight the lefthanded Ortiz to prepare himself against Pacquiao, who is also a southpaw.

May weather is going to get checkmated

[El.Naranjito707]

Marquez never fails to entertain. I hope he wins. If not I hope he puts on one hell of a show. Arriva Mexico gueyes!

[breakyourface]

Marquez will have to drink a lot of piss for this fight

[KTFO]

I've got to agree with you. I believe you to be right but hope that you are incorrect. Marquez is leaps and bound more skilled than Manny Pacquiao, but when Manny's magic juice is loose his punch output is up there with bantamweights. Its not Manny's power or his speed that wins fights. It his workrate. He rarely gets tired and can throw 100 punches per round.

That isn't particularly skillful, but it is effective to keep an opponent on the defense for 12 rounds. Its frustration, and tends to force opponents to make mistakes because they aren't equipped to defend and counter on that level. Floyd definitely is, as that is what he excels at, but Marquez will stand and trade. And unless Marquez makes each punch count and makes Manny reluctant to keep attacking early on by hurting him, I fear he will get overwhelmed like he did in the first round of their first fight.

I think Marquez should fight his usual fight except for one aspect:

When Pacquiao gets into his rhythm and wants to throw his right, right big left hand and do it over and over again ... Marquez needs to Ricky Hatton him like Hatton did to Tszyu. Get inside and make it a dog fight. Clinch, hurt him and repeat. Then once the ref breaks them up, go back to using his boxing skills. When Manny tries to rally, Clinch, hurt him and repeat.

I've never seen Manny do well in a close quarter fight against someone of Marquez skill level. Marquez has great defense and can protect himself in close, but I've never seen Manny tested that way. I think Juan Manuel can hurt Manny to the body and take the stamina out of him ... effectively slowing down Pac's punch output and desire to continuously engage.

I believe that Marquez would have a better than average chance with those tactics. He can execute that plan, and with the extra muscle he puts on he might just acquire a bit more thud to his body punches.

The only other thing I would think to add to his training is extra conditioning. He's got to stay active for all 12 rounds. Marquez has got to convince the judges that he is in control and not just trying to stay alive. Everytime Pacquiao does something to look good, Marquez has GOT to make him look bad.

Juan Manuel has done this to Pacquiao before. And like I've said, Manny has NOT improved skill-wise at any point. Its the workrate I'm worried about. Its the workrate that Marquez better be worried about too.

How long did it take you to come up with that bull**** analysis? PAC has had the same work rate since the prior 2 fights with JMM that were both fought tooth and nail. Manny doesn't fight on the inside because he rarely stays on the inside. PAC VS JMM 1 Manny didn't use angles, only had a 1-2 down the middle and rarely used head movement or feints. I'm surprised that someone who supposedly is a fan of boxing can't see obvious improvements in a fighter. He's an in-and-out fighter that uses angles, feints and lateral movement to get inside. He start's his combinations on the way inside and turns/spins off his opponents and than he's on the outside again. Rinse and repeat, he is what he is. If you think JMM can keep PAC on the inside you're delusional. JMM's best chance was at the lower weights, he doesn't have the handspeed at the higher weights to keep PAC at bay. PAC is a clear favorite over an older, smaller fighter that doesn't have the handspeed or power to compete above 135.

By the way, Paul Williams has a high punch output as well, does he have a magic juice too?

[boxingfan76]

I've got to agree with you. I believe you to be right but hope that you are incorrect. Marquez is leaps and bound more skilled than Manny Pacquiao, but when Manny's magic juice is loose his punch output is up there with bantamweights. Its not Manny's power or his speed that wins fights. It his workrate. He rarely gets tired and can throw 100 punches per round.

That isn't particularly skillful, but it is effective to keep an opponent on the defense for 12 rounds. Its frustration, and tends to force opponents to make mistakes because they aren't equipped to defend and counter on that level. Floyd definitely is, as that is what he excels at, but Marquez will stand and trade. And unless Marquez makes each punch count and makes Manny reluctant to keep attacking early on by hurting him, I fear he will get overwhelmed like he did in the first round of their first fight.

I think Marquez should fight his usual fight except for one aspect:

When Pacquiao gets into his rhythm and wants to throw his right, right big left hand and do it over and over again ... Marquez needs to Ricky Hatton him like Hatton did to Tszyu. Get inside and make it a dog fight. Clinch, hurt him and repeat. Then once the ref breaks them up, go back to using his boxing skills. When Manny tries to rally, Clinch, hurt him and repeat.

I've never seen Manny do well in a close quarter fight against someone of Marquez skill level. Marquez has great defense and can protect himself in close, but I've never seen Manny tested that way. I think Juan Manuel can hurt Manny to the body and take the stamina out of him ... effectively slowing down Pac's punch output and desire to continuously engage.

I believe that Marquez would have a better than average chance with those tactics. He can execute that plan, and with the extra muscle he puts on he might just acquire a bit more thud to his body punches.

The only other thing I would think to add to his training is extra conditioning. He's got to stay active for all 12 rounds. Marquez has got to convince the judges that he is in control and not just trying to stay alive. Everytime Pacquiao does something to look good, Marquez has GOT to make him look bad.

Juan Manuel has done this to Pacquiao before. And like I've said, Manny has NOT improved skill-wise at any point. Its the workrate I'm worried about. Its the workrate that Marquez better be worried about too.

I agree with you,
If you look closley in both pac -jmm fights, pacroid threw 300-400 more punches than jmm didin each fight, yet jmm still outlanded pac by 10 punches in the first fight and by 30 in the 2nd fight, the weight age and timing of this fight leaves just about every advantage to pac making him a coward for not taking this fight 3 yrs ago but pac is pac thats what he does hes a very opportunistic fighter,fight the biggest threats he does not. The only advantage jmm has here is that hes a more accurate puncher than pac is has better combos and is a better boxer, the rest power speed and momentum goes to pac. this fight is 3 yrs 3 wt classes too late , and really its just damage control by pac and his team to try and make up for the str8 up gabage theyve been peddling for many yrs now. that said it should be a better fight than the last 5 concert -man love shows weve seen from pac, In my book jmm won both fights so far as he closed both fights stronger and with more momentum than pac did especially the second fight, pacroid did not wait this long by accident or coincidence. pac didnt look great in the mosley fight he looked slower his workrate was cut way down , he either overtrained or is exiting his prime as he does take a lot of punches for a pnd for pnd guy, so maybe that will even things out and make it a good scrap.

[ny123]

Marquez is going to get hurt badly in this fight.

[BTL]

Gangsta....

[boxingfan76]

Mexicans don't run

Margarito didn't
Oscar didn't but he quit
Diaz got KOed but never run
Solis got KOed but didn't run either
Morales got KOed exchanging punches
Barrera's corner quit
Larios got outclassed
Velasquez got KOed
Lucero got KOed

from your list there it look like mexicans are the only ones with the Balls to face the overrated clown roided up midget even at a disadvantage...take the amount of people mexicans beat up and compare that to filipnos including pac and your left with something that doesnt even resemble a comparison......

[Old//Bones]

marquez is not expected to win but i know he is going to bring it.