Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[strykr619]

Like I told ya Jay, this clown is nothing but a nut-hugging fanboy who will completely ignore the facts, stick his head up his arse, and babble a whole pile of childish opportunistic excuses.

He is yet another dishonest Pac cheerleader, which is why he put on ignore.

I dont mind debate, but I will not treat dishonest people with respect.

You come off as a Floyd fanatic. I've seen you post in thread after thread now for almost a year and its constantly a Pacquaio bash fest.

WE GET IT you don't like Pacquaio, you love Floyd. What you don't get is BOTH these mofo's are at fault for this song and dance being played out this long.

Your so freaking busy defending your boy that you just don't see the big picture. He LOST the PR war in the mainstream and here is why PACQUAIO STAYED ACTIVE WHILE FLOYD DIDN'T.

Its too bad also, PBF is great boxer and is the odds on favorite to beat Pacquaio by decision but with the way he is acting, it makes me wonder if PBF is playing hardball or is he really scared.

[tangalog2200]

No way, not with dishonest people.

I actually object to sharing the earth with dishonest or unreasonable people.

Point taken, maybe I got carried away, I will pull my head in..... but my approach, or lack of one, does not change the facts.

I have given up debating/discussing issues with dishonest people, that is what 'ignore' is for..... and you are real close "Mr Ignorant".

2+2=4, regardless as to whether you approve or not

So, you can stick with your silly excuses, but it is absurd that you think your "laws and rules and the exercise of authority" over-rule common sense.

FACT: blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: refusal to comply with testing is an absurd reason to kill a fight
FACT: hard luck Pac, you bought it all on yourself

Only children have an argument for not being responsible for their actions and words. Pac refused the tests, and when immediately questioned about it Freddie Roach admitted that some people would find that su****ious, so hard luck for Manny.

Just the same as the catch-weight for Cotto. It is absurd for Manny or his fans to think that the catch-weight should not diminish that achievement.

common sense is subjective......

there are people who are well endowed with it....

others are not as lucky....

as i believe you are going to put me on ignore (if not yet so)..just let me clarify:

I actually object to sharing the earth with dishonest or unreasonable people.

Point taken, maybe I got carried away, I will pull my head in..... but my approach, or lack of one, does not change the facts.

I have given up debating/discussing issues with dishonest people, that is what 'ignore' is for..... and you are real close "Mr Ignorant".

first, thanks for the "mr ignorant" label, i am very proud of it.....

now as for your so called "facts".......have you ever wondered why the testing issue had long been up in the air...in testing agencies/labs, in forums and now, even in courts?......

bcoz the fact that still stands now is that people are still trying to get, establish what is best...that will address the drugs issue as well as the viability of the procedure....cost wise and logistically....

i would not lose sleep you putting me in ignore.....

save for your short fuse and tendencies to name-call, i enjoy exchanging ideas or info with you....cheers

[LeadUppercut]

You come off as a Floyd fanatic. I've seen you post in thread after thread now for almost a year and its constantly a Pacquaio bash fest.

Hate is worthless and can easily be discredited, waiting.....

How come you dont address the issues when they are relevant ?

No point in moaning about that now, is there ?

WE GET IT you don't like Pacquaio, you love Floyd. What you don't get is BOTH these mofo's are at fault for this song and dance being played out this long.

Hold on dude, you just sound like a ******* now.

Answer me this.....
why is it that somebody who dislikes Manny, MUST like Floyd ?

Why is it that somebody who dislikes Floyd, MUST like Manny ?

I dont really get that ?

Where do you get the feeling that I LOVE Mayflower ?

Perhaps you could post a previous comment from me indicating that ?

I used to be a fan of both fighters.

Are you sure that you are not imagining (assuming) things ?

Your so freaking busy defending your boy that you just don't see the big picture. He LOST the PR war in the mainstream and here is why PACQUAIO STAYED ACTIVE WHILE FLOYD DIDN'T.

I am a boxing fan dude, I dont care about that dribble.

It aint my money, I wont see a cent.

Its too bad also, PBF is great boxer and is the odds on favorite to beat Pacquaio by decision

Now who sounds like the ***** ?

Its too bad also, PBF is great boxer and is the odds on favorite to beat Pacquaio by decision but with the way he is acting, it makes me wonder if PBF is playing hardball or is he really scared.

I think that is absurd. I think that is a totally ridiculous naive non-boxing fanboy approach. Seriously, some of you guys need to lace em up, or even just train for a few weeks.

" scared " is a word most often used by young children, not professional boxers.

But where your argument falls down, is not because of your unrealistic highly-unlikely " guess-work "..... I can kinda understand why an inexperienced casual fan could come to that conclusion, because they would likely p1ss themselves if they ever got into a real fight, but I cannot understand the complete lack of common-sense.

Even if you know nothing about boxing, and cannot comprehend how a fighter thinks, common-sense should not be your enemy.

FACT: If Mayweather really wanted to duck Manny he would never have agreed to 50/50, because Pac could have simply called his "bluff" and taken the test.

So, AGAIN..... why didnt Manny call Mayweathers " bluff " and take the test ?

Which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

I bet you are the 4th poster to duck that question in the last 4 pages.

[LeadUppercut]

common sense is subjective......

there are people who are well endowed with it....

others are not as lucky....

as i believe you are going to put me on ignore (if not yet so)..just let me clarify:

I actually object to sharing the earth with dishonest or unreasonable people.

Point taken, maybe I got carried away, I will pull my head in..... but my approach, or lack of one, does not change the facts.

I have given up debating/discussing issues with dishonest people, that is what 'ignore' is for..... and you are real close "Mr Ignorant".

first, thanks for the "mr ignorant" label, i am very proud of it.....

now as for your so called "facts".......have you ever wondered why the testing issue had long been up in the air...in testing agencies/labs, in forums and now, even in courts?......

bcoz the fact that still stands now is that people are still trying to get, establish what is best...that will address the drugs issue as well as the viability of the procedure....cost wise and logistically....

i would not lose sleep you putting me in ignore.....

save for your short fuse and tendencies to name-call, i enjoy exchanging ideas or info with you....cheers

Fair call.

No, I do not like ignore, and I very rarely use it.

Look, you are very civil, and almost certainly a real nice guy in person, no doubt..... but it is like a warzone on here, and I am very quick to label a poster either honest, or dishonest..... simply because of the time factor, and because people will see what they want to see, regardless.

Your points about the drug testing just come across as more excuses.

FACT: blood tests are totally harmless, so should not be the slightest issue

This is it, in a nut-shell.....

* Mayweather took them, he is clean, and he got paid
* Mosley took them, he is clean, and he got paid
* Ortiz will take them, he will be clean, and he will get paid
* Manny.....

[tangalog2200]

Fair call.

No, I do not like ignore, and I very rarely use it.

Look, you are very civil, and almost certainly a real nice guy in person, no doubt..... but it is like a warzone on here, and I am very quick to label a poster either honest, or dishonest..... simply because of the time factor, and because people will see what they want to see, regardless.

Your points about the drug testing just come across as more excuses.

FACT: blood tests are totally harmless, so should not be the slightest issue

This is it, in a nut-shell.....

* Mayweather took them, he is clean, and he got paid
* Mosley took them, he is clean, and he got paid
* Ortiz will take them, he will be clean, and he will get paid
* Manny.....

as i have stated...we can agree to disagree.......

certainly the testing issue, even at this time, still is on the balance....

seeing a lot more threads/posts today on the same issue (both urine & blood testings)....and no one really qualified or sage enough to say what will truly happen...say we can go on other topics, not as complex as this...

we may not meet heads on on some issues....but we could all agree to keep this forum a fun site to talk/discuss boxing, and perhaps to befriend nice people who shares our love of the sport...which is all there should be in it.....

[LeadUppercut]

as i have stated...we can agree to disagree.......

certainly the testing issue, even at this time, still is on the balance....

seeing a lot more threads/posts today on the same issue (both urine & blood testings)....and no one really qualified or sage enough to say what will truly happen...say we can go on other topics, not as complex as this...

we may not meet heads on on some issues....but we could all agree to keep this forum a fun site to talk/discuss boxing, and perhaps to befriend nice people who shares our love of the sport...which is all there should be in it.....

Fair call, good post.

[Ruthless One]

Let's be honest:

The majority of racist crap coming from Floyd fans has been in response to the foolishness that has come from *******s. Its no excuse, but there is a point when people have had enough and respond in kind.

Americans, Black or White, have no reason to hate on Filipinos. Whites have historically been the ruling class for centuries. Black Americans, after overcoming America's shameful legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, have dominated sports, held every office, and have the most imitated and emulated culture in the world.

Again, there is no excuse for racism. However after enduring attack after attack after attack based on Floyd being either Black or American, has offended and in many ways incited repercussions of the same nature.

Why not attack Floyd based on his professional career? He is after all, only a public figure because of his position in boxing. Making it a racial or national issue served to not only start a flame war, but it also showed the desperation of the Filipino community by and large to be accepted in a sport as if it was life support.

With or without Floyd, boxing has been dominated by Blacks for over 100 years. One Filipino doesn't affect that in the slightest. Same with every major sport in the world with the exception of soccer, hockey and tennis. It would be nothing for Americans to throw Filipinos a bone and say that Pacquiao was the best of this era if it were really true, but it isn't. Strictly going by Manny Pacquiao's record, he hasn't earned that distinction, but has rather been bestowed with petty media titles as Mayweather's heir apparent.

The upcoming fight between Floyd and Manny won't settle anything even if Floyd beats Manny 10 times. Why? Because the ugliness of how *******s really feel has been exposed. I can guarantee that will affect Donaire's fanbase based solely on his ethnicity and the flame war that *******s have started.

Has it accomplished anything? Absolutely not, but *******s don't appear to be articulate or honest. I suspect that when at a loss for words, *******s stooped to the lowest position because they didn't know what else to do. They feel like they were defending some kind of pinoy pride.

And that's the difference.

Criticize Floyd and boxing fans will defend him. 99.9% of us don't know him, will never meet him, and he will not impact most of our personal lives. He's not a role model as most sport figures are NOT role models and should not be role models.

Criticize Manny and *******s will defend him as if someone was burning down a church in the Philippines. *******s, especially Filipino *******s, feel like EVERYTHING Manny Pacquiao is an all or nothing deal. The fans go all out or not at all, which is ridiculous because doing that from the start destroys any chance for objectivity and any further consideration for the facts.

Once that happens to a person, they begin acting like a feral animal with no discipline or education. All reason goes out the window in favor of impulse fueled rage and rashness.

When Nobuhiro Ishida defeated James Kirkland, you didn't see Japanese fans going ape**** and flinging crap everywhere. An Asian fighter beat an African American fighter, but they didn't act like this was the first time that they had ever gotten recognition for something in the history of the world.

I'd like to see all the bullcrap stop, but I know it won't. *******s are relentless if nothing else. The never stop. They're like zombies in horror movies. They don't function coherently and they just keep repeating a single agenda left in their minds: paaac ... eeeeee ... oooowww.

One world. One family. But let's put the really ****** and dishonest people on an island and be done with them.

I think both sides are bloody racist. No excuses for either side. And it has occured to me that *******s may say ****** **** from time to time but I ****n swear that Floydiots take it up another notch by trying to sound "intelligent" while getting into pointless arguments and flame wars with the *******s. ******* or Floydiot, they're all the same. One side tries to sound smart, the other side sticks with the simple insults.

*******s hating on Africans, **** you.

Floydiots hating on Filipinos, **** you too.

****ers.

[Brother Jay]

You come off as a Floyd fanatic. I've seen you post in thread after thread now for almost a year and its constantly a Pacquaio bash fest.

WE GET IT you don't like Pacquaio, you love Floyd. What you don't get is BOTH these mofo's are at fault for this song and dance being played out this long.

Your so freaking busy defending your boy that you just don't see the big picture. He LOST the PR war in the mainstream and here is why PACQUAIO STAYED ACTIVE WHILE FLOYD DIDN'T.

Its too bad also, PBF is great boxer and is the odds on favorite to beat Pacquaio by decision but with the way he is acting, it makes me wonder if PBF is playing hardball or is he really scared.

You know strykr619, you are not an honest person. I read LeadUppercut's posts and he constantly cites facts to support his criticisms. How in the hell have you gotten the idea that he doesn't like Pacquiao when he doesn't know Pacquiao?

I would agree that he doesn't like *******s. I'm right up there with him! But to accuse a man of loving and hating strangers is childish and ignorant. Are you calling LeadUppercut a racist? Because only racists judge men who they don't know by some separate criteria. That would be *******s.

I mean, how does hate and love even play into these discussions? Are all *******s that ******? The one thing we all have or should have in common is a love of boxing, but its very apparent that most *******s do not love, like or even care about boxing.

There are facts and then there is everything else. *******s REFUSE to deal in facts, so they deal in everything else.

LeadUppercut has been asking about 7 excuses? No one wants to touch it.

I have been pointing out Pacquiao's manufactured record. No one wants to touch it.

All every ******* wants to do is minimize the culpability of Arum, Roach and Pacquiao. That is their agenda. Winning at all costs, even through racism and cheating, is their goal.

Proof of that is on this site alone. How many posts have we all read where a ******* has stated that if Floyd is so good he should fight Pacquiao REGARDLESS as to if he is actually on PEDs?!?!?

Huh??

So the world is supposed to turn a blind eye to cheating and the Filipino community is not only OK with this, but they are actually pushing and quite possibly praying for this?

That pretty freakin pathetic. That's like Sonny Liston fans calling Ali a pu*ssy for complaining about the illegal substance that Liston's people had rubbed all over his gloves. Or Antonio Margarito fans calling Shane Mosley a pu*ssy because his trainer saw something su****ious about Antonio's wraps and forced them to re-wrap them.

As I've written before, this isn't the first time that a boxer requested additional testing for his opponent ala Tyson/Holyfield. Holyfield happily complied. So stop acting like Floyd is asking something outrageous when its been done several times before. Stop acting like the request is absurd as the precedent was set way over a decade ago.

Arum is well aware of this. He just knows it can be the undoing of the most cash he's ever made on one event. So he's making a huge deal about testing that has been done before. He's playing on the ignorance of *******s and other non-boxing fans.

Its embarrassing for Pacquiao to have avoided a test demand that has been demanded before and fulfilled by the opponent. Roach full well knows that this has been done before. Only Manny Pacquiao himself is acting like some coy ignoramus about boxing and its history.

[LeadUppercut]

You know strykr619, you are not an honest person. I read LeadUppercut's posts and he constantly cites facts to support his criticisms. How in the hell have you gotten the idea that he doesn't like Pacquiao when he doesn't know Pacquiao?

I would agree that he doesn't like *******s. I'm right up there with him! But to accuse a man of loving and hating strangers is childish and ignorant. Are you calling LeadUppercut a racist? Because only racists judge men who they don't know by some separate criteria. That would be *******s.

I mean, how does hate and love even play into these discussions? Are all *******s that ******? The one thing we all have or should have in common is a love of boxing, but its very apparent that most *******s do not love, like or even care about boxing.

There are facts and then there is everything else. *******s REFUSE to deal in facts, so they deal in everything else.

LeadUppercut has been asking about 7 excuses? No one wants to touch it.

I have been pointing out Pacquiao's manufactured record. No one wants to touch it.

All every ******* wants to do is minimize the culpability of Arum, Roach and Pacquiao. That is their agenda. Winning at all costs, even through racism and cheating, is their goal.

Proof of that is on this site alone. How many posts have we all read where a ******* has stated that if Floyd is so good he should fight Pacquiao REGARDLESS as to if he is actually on PEDs?!?!?

Huh??

So the world is supposed to turn a blind eye to cheating and the Filipino community is not only OK with this, but they are actually pushing and quite possibly praying for this?

That pretty freakin pathetic. That's like Sonny Liston fans calling Ali a pu*ssy for complaining about the illegal substance that Liston's people had rubbed all over his gloves. Or Antonio Margarito fans calling Shane Mosley a pu*ssy because his trainer saw something su****ious about Antonio's wraps and forced them to re-wrap them.

As I've written before, this isn't the first time that a boxer requested additional testing for his opponent ala Tyson/Holyfield. Holyfield happily complied. So stop acting like Floyd is asking something outrageous when its been done several times before. Stop acting like the request is absurd as the precedent was set way over a decade ago.

Arum is well aware of this. He just knows it can be the undoing of the most cash he's ever made on one event. So he's making a huge deal about testing that has been done before. He's playing on the ignorance of *******s and other non-boxing fans.

Its embarrassing for Pacquiao to have avoided a test demand that has been demanded before and fulfilled by the opponent. Roach full well knows that this has been done before. Only Manny Pacquiao himself is acting like some coy ignoramus about boxing and its history.

I simply cannot understand how someone could question the guy who asked, but then blindly accept the guy who refused.

And, it is absurd to insinuate that a fighter is a coward, simply for requesting a better testing protocol.

I dont get boxing fans at all these days.

[Brother Jay]

I think both sides are bloody racist. No excuses for either side. And it has occured to me that *******s may say ****** **** from time to time but I ****n swear that Floydiots take it up another notch by trying to sound "intelligent" while getting into pointless arguments and flame wars with the *******s. ******* or Floydiot, they're all the same. One side tries to sound smart, the other side sticks with the simple insults.

*******s hating on Africans, **** you.

Floydiots hating on Filipinos, **** you too.

****ers.

Let's be honest:

The majority of racist crap coming from Floyd fans has been in response to the foolishness that has come from *******s. Its no excuse, but there is a point when people have had enough and respond in kind.

I started off saying that it was no excuse, but you've missed the forest for the trees. What you are suggesting is that because non-*******s get tired of anti-American sentiment and racial tirades that they are equally as bad as *******s for defending themselves by responding in kind. That's bulls*hit.

Still its amusing that you would acknowledge that Floyd fans sound intelligent. While *******s are the most ignorant hate filled fans on Earth.

Self defense is not the same as pointless attacks. There's a difference no matter how fruitless the endeavor is. I acknowledge that neither side is doing any favors for themselves by participating in flame wars, but no one should have to endure the crap that comes from *******s. No one.

As long as you refuse to see the difference in intentions between the two groups, you'll just unfairly continue to lump them together just because neither pleases you.

I simply cannot understand how someone could question the guy who asked, but then blindly accept the guy who refused.

And, it is absurd to insinuate that a fighter is a coward, simply for requesting a better testing protocol.

I dont get boxing fans at all these days.

That's because you're making the mistake of calling *******s, who have no prior interest or knowledge of boxing before Pacquiao, fans. They are not fans of boxing. They are worshippers of Pacquiao.

Claiming that Floyd is somehow less of a champion for wanting a fair playing ground is alone reason enough to call them ignorant fanatics. For years this Pacquiao guy has refused USADA testing. For years he has given different reasons from principles to fear of needles as to why he won't do it. He turned down a 14 day cutoff, and now is desperate for Floyd to offer it again. Manny is all over the place scrambling for shade so he can get out of the heat of the spotlight. Marquez is that shade as of right now.