Ortiz pros n cons vs Floyd

[Walt Liquor]

Cons:
1) no body attack worth speaking of
2) reaches with left and sometimes throws it too slow
3) keeps his hands down when trading inside
4) chinny whem he doesnt see the punch coming
5) all adds up to counterable
6) decent at best at cutting off the ring
7) very little pop on jab


Pros:
1) strong ww, was im the wrong weight class prior
2) beautiful right uppercut, throws it off the hook too, nice left upper cut too
3) pop and lots of it
4) speed to land short lefts
5) southpaw
6) activity and good mid range game where he's much harder to counter
7) keeps coming after getting hit...tough to potshot

In other words, i think he can make the floyd fight interesting but i dont see him being able to slow floyd down enough to catch him, amd floyd will put him down with a counter at least once in the fight. I think floyd will outclas him by the 8th and sweep the last 4. Ortiz will win a couple early rounds. Floyd wins in a 7-5 ish fight in rounds but wins by more points cuz he should get a kd or two.
This is a fight where i could see floyd gettimg kd'd though and i will reiterate that i think it was a strong move by floyd to come back with an ortiz fight. I'm very interested in this fight and will definitely be buying the ppv.



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[GrandpaBernard]

7) keeps coming after getting hit...tough to potshot





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Feint, footwork, and clinch

[killacash]

Cons:
1) no body attack worth speaking of

Dont agree with that, He worked Berto's body every round. Thats why Berto slowed down.

[Walt Liquor]

Dont agree with that, He worked Berto's body every round. Thats why Berto slowed down.

He didnt work the body until maybe late fight. Berto slowed in the first 2 rds cuz the kd's took his legs (obviously). His second wind ran out later in the fight.

[Walt Liquor]

Feint, footwork, and clinch

Thats why i put that, cuz i think vic can catch floyd at some point when he keeps doing that over and over

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Ortiz's lack of jab worries me in this fight...coupled with Floyd's jab to the body, i see MANY of Ortiz's offense getting thwarted

a stalled, no jab Ortiz = pot shot city for Floyd


however, im hoping Floyd either gets old overnight and sustains a 12 round beating or Ortiz catches him and doesn't let him off the hook for a shocking KO upset

[Pullcounter]

Ortiz cons:

- can get lazy in the ring
- can get sloppy with defense
- can get discouraged
- can get frustrated
- can get outboxed
- doesn't set up his punches, but just throws punches to punch

Ortiz pros:

- good power
- good speed
- decent durability (but given wifebeater isn't a KO artist, it's not that bad)
- good size and strength
- good reflexes

As you can see, ortiz's problems all come from the mental side of boxing, not the physical side. ortiz is an incredible athlete, but he's not a schooled and skilled boxer.

If you can avoid brawling with him, and you can take the occasional punch that he will land, you can beat him.

[Walt Liquor]

I meat to type 7-5 OR 8-4 in rds for floyd. I see floyd getting hit mkre thsn usual in this fight.

[Walt Liquor]

Ortiz cons:

- can get lazy in the ring
- can get sloppy with defense
- can get discouraged
- can get frustrated
- can get outboxed
- doesn't set up his punches, but just throws punches to punch

Ortiz pros:

- good power
- good speed
- decent durability (but given wifebeater isn't a KO artist, it's not that bad)
- good size and strength
- good reflexes

As you can see, ortiz's problems all come from the mental side of boxing, not the physical side. ortiz is an incredible athlete, but he's not a schooled and skilled boxer.

If you can avoid brawling with him, and you can take the occasional punch that he will land, you can beat him.

Ortiz does set up punches, or at least throws smart combos on the inside. He looks like he doesnt set amything up because he's always used athleticism to get inside cuz he has no jab. But if he getS in, he throws accurate and smart combos.
He's gonna have to work real hard to get inside, but he csn do something there i think. I still think floyd wins by 3-5 pts.

[Phenom]

Ortiz does set up punches, or at least throws smart combos on the inside. He looks like he doesnt set amything up because he's always used athleticism to get inside cuz he has no jab. But if he getS in, he throws accurate and smart combos.
He's gonna have to work real hard to get inside, but he csn do something there i think. I still think floyd wins by 3-5 pts.

true you think Floyd would lay in the ropes and do his shoulder roll against Ortiz