Pacquiao-marquez iii: A horrendous cost

[MrSuplex]

Fighthype is trash.

Floyd = P-U-S-S-Y

[Jack Napier]

Dude you are 100% Pinoy. Why are you trying so hard to be Tupac?

2Pac? :laugh:
just give it up Milton
you bitches been saying Pac ducked JMM for 3 years
you justified Floyd fighting him at WW
when Pac-Shane was signed, Floyd**** cried foul, wanted JMM
claimed *******s were using "JMM isn't a WW" as an excuse
just admit you're a fakeass fan and go away

[-Spinal-]

I'm optimistic that Marquez will go in to make it a fight. However I'm also realistic, and realisticly speaking this fight is too much for Marquez at this point. All of Danny Howard's points are valid except I really think Marquez wants to win it more than just for the sake of cashing the biggest check in his career. There isn't much advantage in terms of weight but there's a world of advantages when it comes to confort zone. We've seen how Pacquiao carries his speed and power at 147(or 144) and Marquez even at 135 has become a little slower and 142 he looked inoperative, ineffective. Perhaps it's because he was up against a defensive wizard, nevertheless at 38 Marquez stands little chance. Arum knows it and all the casual fans know is that Pacquiao will fight another future hall of famer.

He's reportedly getting a guaranteed $4-5Mill, + PPV revenue.

He already got a guaranteed $5Mill+PPV revenue from the 1.1Million PPV buys from Mayweather. So he already got the biggest pay check of his career, barring this PPV sells more than 1.1Million PPVs.

[studentofthegam]

Gamboa vs. Lopez is shit now because Juanma got KTFO in his last fight. He will need to get a few good wins before the Gamboa fight will happen. The fight should have already happened, just as Pac vs. Marquez 3 should have.

I still kind of want to see Marquez vs. Pac 3 but I don't see it being as competitive as the other two fights were. Pac has improved a lot and Marquez is slowing down and is not as effective in the higher weight classes.

I definitely want to see it. As for Gamboa/Lopez I say Lopez will take one fight and its back on. The loss to Salido wasnt career ending thanks to the ref. They're both still the biggest little guys around Feather weight. Even after that KO I'd be lying if I said I didnt want to see it. I picked Gamboa to destroy him long ago.

You don't need power to outbox somebody.

Anyways if you think Marquez can still outbox Pac ears off but have no chance of winning then so be it. I don't know how that works but OK

I don't JMM is capable of doing anything to Pac. If Pac doesn't stop JMM, Pac will still win damn near every single round. He might look bad in doing so but he JMM has zero chance in doing anything to Pac.

Why not. Pac hasnt fought a serious counter puncher since JMM 2. Its for good reason. Its a better version of Morales/Maidana. Not style wise but in the sense that Marquez is much smarter than Manny in the ring. JMM will not stand there and let Manny wail away. Pac has always been faster so thats not an issue. To me he's actually slower than the Pac of old. Watch those extended uppercuts land at will on Manny's chin.

The article says it all and is right on. Even though some might not want to admit it, Marquez is past his prime and can't deal with Manny's speed or power at this stage of their careers.

I love Marquez and he's been a legend and a great champ but in reality I'm more happy for him because he finally got the payday he has wanted.

You're telling me that Pacquiao that just fought Mosley will overwhelm a technician like Marquez. When was Marquez's last loss outside Mayweather. You'd think he's been getting his ass kicked the way you guys talk about his fight with Pac like some sort of funeral service.

JMM is indeed past his prime but lets get one thing clear..
Prime Pac >>> Prime JMM, at a reasonable weight (perhaps 140).

But at this stages of their carreers, Team Pac, esp Arum is not gonna give in too much to JMM's demands. JMM is the beggar now. Pac murders JMM.

JMM has been a beggar and its a damn shame too. With all the talks of "coward" this and "ducker" that, the ones that put it on the line against anyone (JMM, PWill, Martinez) dont get half the respect they deserve.

[BoZz]

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III: A HORRENDOUS COST
By Danny Howard | May 20, 2011

Juan Manuel Marquez twice was literally a point away from beating Manny Pacquiao and altering the course of recent boxing history as we know it. Unfortunately, despite how much he wants us to believe that he won those fights and he's always been that much better than Pacquiao, it just didn't happen. Marquez couldn't accept the loss the second time around, so he chased Pacquiao five pounds north up to Lightweight and won a title. He even went to the Phillipines to issue a challenge, but Pacquiao turned him away. Now at the end of his career, Marquez has finally found his chance for redemption, although it may come at a horrendous cost.

Marquez, at 38 years of age, is getting hit more than he was at 35. His speed is declining and the skills that carried him to the top echelon of the sport are looking as if they are dulling after a rough series of fights over the past few years. At Lightweight, Marquez has had to trade in his precision counter punching style for a more assertive style in lieu of facing bigger opposition. His one prior excursion to an even higher weight class already ended in disaster.

That night came when Marquez weighed in at 142 pounds to challenge the returning Floyd Mayweather Jr., who pummeled a Marquez that looked listless and inoperable at Welterweight. Although Marquez says the weight did in fact affect him, it isn't changing his mind about facing Pacquiao at 145 pounds. While I have always been a Marquez fan, this fight isn't about Marquez trying to establish his true greatness over Pacquiao. It's simply about the payday.

Marquez-Pacquiao III means very little to the sport of boxing. It is just an excuse for Pacquiao to fight yet another opponent with a marketable name who will have the decked stacked against them. Furthermore, what better way for Pacquiao to close the book on Marquez by beating him viciously and decisively at a weight where Marquez won't have any advantages over Pacquiao, who has matured into a full Welterweight frame.

I've been brave enough to deride Pacquiao's choice of opposition during his truly historic run, but Marquez following the Shane Mosley debacle is absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Timothy Bradley and Zab Judah probably weren't the best options for the money, but I wouldn't pick Marquez against either one of them. Hell, Marquez would get beat by Andre Berto, who also was considered a Pacquiao opponent at one time. As usual though, as long as Pacquiao smiles and giggles off every question any reporter may have, the less people seem to care that he's fighting ready-to-order fighters.

I'm going as far as to say that Marquez does not stand a chance against Pacquiao. He is in way over his head for this one and the possibility of Marquez laying an egg once he realizes he can't hurt Pacquiao is high. For as much of a warrior as Marquez is, he took almost no chances against Mayweather once he realized he wasn't getting his respect. Furthermore, Marquez is going to land early and see for himself that Pacquiao isn't going to give him any respect. This fight is going to be a wash.

The cliche that will endow this fight is that Marquez's style will be a nightmare for Pacquiao, as it has been in the past. That will be the only selling point that Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, Pacquiao and Marquez can really work with when you consider all things. For all of you optimists that actually believe that this fight will be competitive, riddle me this: when was the last time a near 40-year-old fighter jumped two weight classes and beat the best fighter in the world?

no one can deny this article especially the big red bold part.

[Motofan]

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III: A HORRENDOUS COST
By Danny Howard | May 20, 2011

Juan Manuel Marquez twice was literally a point away from beating Manny Pacquiao and altering the course of recent boxing history as we know it. Unfortunately, despite how much he wants us to believe that he won those fights and he's always been that much better than Pacquiao, it just didn't happen. Marquez couldn't accept the loss the second time around, so he chased Pacquiao five pounds north up to Lightweight and won a title. He even went to the Phillipines to issue a challenge, but Pacquiao turned him away. Now at the end of his career, Marquez has finally found his chance for redemption, although it may come at a horrendous cost.

Marquez, at 38 years of age, is getting hit more than he was at 35. His speed is declining and the skills that carried him to the top echelon of the sport are looking as if they are dulling after a rough series of fights over the past few years. At Lightweight, Marquez has had to trade in his precision counter punching style for a more assertive style in lieu of facing bigger opposition. His one prior excursion to an even higher weight class already ended in disaster.

That night came when Marquez weighed in at 142 pounds to challenge the returning Floyd Mayweather Jr., who pummeled a Marquez that looked listless and inoperable at Welterweight. Although Marquez says the weight did in fact affect him, it isn't changing his mind about facing Pacquiao at 145 pounds. While I have always been a Marquez fan, this fight isn't about Marquez trying to establish his true greatness over Pacquiao. It's simply about the payday.

Marquez-Pacquiao III means very little to the sport of boxing. It is just an excuse for Pacquiao to fight yet another opponent with a marketable name who will have the decked stacked against them. Furthermore, what better way for Pacquiao to close the book on Marquez by beating him viciously and decisively at a weight where Marquez won't have any advantages over Pacquiao, who has matured into a full Welterweight frame.

I've been brave enough to deride Pacquiao's choice of opposition during his truly historic run, but Marquez following the Shane Mosley debacle is absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Timothy Bradley and Zab Judah probably weren't the best options for the money, but I wouldn't pick Marquez against either one of them. Hell, Marquez would get beat by Andre Berto, who also was considered a Pacquiao opponent at one time. As usual though, as long as Pacquiao smiles and giggles off every question any reporter may have, the less people seem to care that he's fighting ready-to-order fighters.

I'm going as far as to say that Marquez does not stand a chance against Pacquiao. He is in way over his head for this one and the possibility of Marquez laying an egg once he realizes he can't hurt Pacquiao is high. For as much of a warrior as Marquez is, he took almost no chances against Mayweather once he realized he wasn't getting his respect. Furthermore, Marquez is going to land early and see for himself that Pacquiao isn't going to give him any respect. This fight is going to be a wash.

The cliche that will endow this fight is that Marquez's style will be a nightmare for Pacquiao, as it has been in the past. That will be the only selling point that Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, Pacquiao and Marquez can really work with when you consider all things. For all of you optimists that actually believe that this fight will be competitive, riddle me this: when was the last time a near 40-year-old fighter jumped two weight classes and beat the best fighter in the world?

Spot on. It sucks to say as a huge Marquez fan, but he has no chance. Lots of guys would beat Marquez at this point. Pac at this size and at this point will mow right through him. Rot in hell Bob.

[check hook]

We wouldnt have to have this fight if a certain someone grew a set of balls and ended their vacation.

really?? Because Manny can't just go ahead and fight Ortiz??? or even Berto???

[IIocano]

really?? Because Manny can't just go ahead and fight Ortiz??? or even Berto???

It's safe to say that PAC has more of the credibility of fighting the names u mentioned but not your idol. *****s shouldn't even be allowed to discuss anything related to manny unless he comes out to play inside the boxing ring.