Comments Thread For: Arum: I Will Never Forgive Golden Boy, The Mayweathers

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Really? Hold on, I'll check.....

NOPE !!

Manny Pacquiao's last 7 opponents.....

Lately, a number of observers have commented that all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have either been old, faded, or inept. Let's take a closer look at Manny's recent fights, and see if there is any truth to that allegation.....

Accusations leveled at Pacquiao include.....

* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Let's apply that criteria to 27%'s last 7 opponents, and see how they stack up.

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David Diaz - Not a top fighter, faded, disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Oscar De La Hoya - Shot, drained, and shrink-wrapped.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Ricky Hatton - Not a top fighter, faded, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Miguel Angel Cotto - Badly faded / shopworn, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Joshua Clottey - Not a top fighter, and strangely innocuous.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Antonio Margarito - Not a top fighter, faded, disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Shane Mosley - Faded, shopworn, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

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All-in-all, that is a damn shabby line-up for a supposed P4P fighter, especially when you consider all of the advantages afforded to Manny during those fights..... e.g. fighting for a vacant JMW title, at catch-weight, against a BUM, and using 8oz gloves

Now, I can understand a top fighter taking the odd bout against a lesser opponent.....
but EVERY opponent in your last 7 fights?

How fkn lame is that ?

The last time Pac fought a live dog was Marquez II, and according to a significant number of trainers/fighters/journalists/analysts..... HE LOST!!

SUMMARY: There is no question that Manny is a manufactured fighter, with a padded resume'..... quite simply, just more Top Rank smoke and mirrors..... Pac is the " ****e Girls " of boxing

hahahaha,
you sure put alot of time and effort into downplaying everything pac,
you must be an obsessed pac hater

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Naa. Keep fooling yourselves. How many small boxers of today would have the balls to fight big guys like Cotto, Clottey and Margarito? Naa. Who are you kidding? Your fellow bums. Lol. Can't imagine Mr Trilogy would have the balls to fight these guys. Where exactly are the advantages? Naa.

Grow up man, you know nothing about boxing.

Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito ?

Firstly, give yourself an uppercut for mentioning Clottey

Miguel Cotto.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for 27%..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame.

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, 27% demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for 27%, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....


Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

Shame on 27% for cheating history, not once, but twice, because he did the same thing to Margarito..... Emmanuel Steward was correct when he said that Pacquiao is a cherry-picker who does not compare with truly great fighters.

Margarito.....

Recently, we had Saul Alvarez fighting Matthew Hatton for the vacant WBC JMW title. Now, as many of you may be aware, the fact that a title was on the line for that fight, is an absolute fkn joke.

* that fight was for a vacant title
* one competitor was not a JMW, nor was he ranked at welter
* the other guy was not much more than a prospect
* that fight was held at a catchweight
* one competitor failed to make weight

Funny thing is, when that fight was first announced, it was not a title fight.

The WBC title, was an " after-thought ".

All-in-all, a pretty disgusting turn of events.

Anyways, what amused me after that fight, were the many Pacquiao fans who chose to toast Canelo because they considered him to be a worthless paper champ, who just got handed a worthless paper title.

Hmmm..... anyone see where I am going with this ?

Here are the facts regarding the Margarito vs Pacquiao fight.....

* that fight was for a vacant JMW title
* neither of the competitor's were a JMW
* that fight was held at catchweight
* one of the competitors could not even have beaten any of the top welter's
* neither of the competitors could beat any of the top JMW's

So, Canelo is a bum, but 27% is an 8-division titlist? WTF?

I am absolutely positive that the only sort of person who could come to that conclusion, would be a pig-ignorant, non-boxing, fan-boy.

" oh, but what about Floyd, he never defended his title..... "

FACT: Mayflower fought a genuine JMW
FACT: Mayflower fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayflower fought at the divisional limit
FACT: 27% did none of those things

The Margarito vs Pacquiao fight was for a vacant title, it was fought at catchweight, 27% did not fight a JMW, he did not fight a champion, and he used 8oz gloves.

All-in-all, that is AT LEAST as bad as the Canelo fight, worse in my opinion.

Why ?

Because, Canelo intends to defend, and 27% NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW..... EVER!!

Well before that fight even took place, Team Pacquiao publicly stated that Manny will not defend his title, and that he will never fight a genuine JMW.....


27% never intended to fight a genuine JMW, he just wanted to cheat history by stealing a worthless paper title.

How fkn lame is that?

Go figure, what a cherry-picking b1tch ol' 27% turned out to be.

I am guessing that 27%'s anus shriveled up like a year-old prune when Sergio Martinez called him out. " no speak engrish "

[maguirre]

Amateurish Manny would have to take the strictest test that has ever been demanded of a boxer in the history of boxing c/o Mr Vacation becaaauuuse....

list your reasons here brah.

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I'll be waiting.....

No answers yet? Anyone?

I just proved my point.

Thanks for the entertainment guys. I feel so smart.

Be back tomorrow. Gotta get my beauty sleep.

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dude, that list of 7 arent fawking excuses...
those are facts...

yes he dont like needles (meaning blood being drawn)
yes blood drawn does weaken some people
blood drawn does interupt training
yes he too proud
yes floyd is not the commisiion
yes floyd is bigger than pac and pac believes it will affect him more than pac, thats his belief...a belief is not an excuse

you my friend needs to get real and get a clue

You are coming across like some gullible 12yo kid.

FACT: If Pac had a good reason, he would have used it.

But he didn't, he used those 7 ridiculous excuses.

And you still will not tell me which one the excuses THAT MANNY GAVE did you believe?

I'll wait.....

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such lame response...
from too good to be true, gotta be on steroids/peds
to
he fought old shot fighters...

you talk about pac and his excuses,
but here you are with your own excuses

if u ask me, i believe what most experts say about pac as being one of the ATG...vs what you have to say...fighter of the year multiple times and fighter of the decade award? i take those over ur opinion of pac anyday

I would rather take the opinions of 4 of the top 5 P4P fighters in the world.

They think Pac is a cherry-picking hype job, and have shredded his resume'

Pac p1ssed himself when Sergio called him out

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Grow up man, you know nothing about boxing.

Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito ?

Firstly, give yourself an uppercut for mentioning Clottey

Miguel Cotto.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for 27%..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame.

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, 27% demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for 27%, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....


Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

Shame on 27% for cheating history, not once, but twice, because he did the same thing to Margarito..... Emmanuel Steward was correct when he said that Pacquiao is a cherry-picker who does not compare with truly great fighters.

Margarito.....

Recently, we had Saul Alvarez fighting Matthew Hatton for the vacant WBC JMW title. Now, as many of you may be aware, the fact that a title was on the line for that fight, is an absolute fkn joke.

* that fight was for a vacant title
* one competitor was not a JMW, nor was he ranked at welter
* the other guy was not much more than a prospect
* that fight was held at a catchweight
* one competitor failed to make weight

Funny thing is, when that fight was first announced, it was not a title fight.

The WBC title, was an " after-thought ".

All-in-all, a pretty disgusting turn of events.

Anyways, what amused me after that fight, were the many Pacquiao fans who chose to toast Canelo because they considered him to be a worthless paper champ, who just got handed a worthless paper title.

Hmmm..... anyone see where I am going with this ?

Here are the facts regarding the Margarito vs Pacquiao fight.....

* that fight was for a vacant JMW title
* neither of the competitor's were a JMW
* that fight was held at catchweight
* one of the competitors could not even have beaten any of the top welter's
* neither of the competitors could beat any of the top JMW's

So, Canelo is a bum, but 27% is an 8-division titlist? WTF?

I am absolutely positive that the only sort of person who could come to that conclusion, would be a pig-ignorant, non-boxing, fan-boy.

" oh, but what about Floyd, he never defended his title..... "

FACT: Mayflower fought a genuine JMW
FACT: Mayflower fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayflower fought at the divisional limit
FACT: 27% did none of those things

The Margarito vs Pacquiao fight was for a vacant title, it was fought at catchweight, 27% did not fight a JMW, he did not fight a champion, and he used 8oz gloves.

All-in-all, that is AT LEAST as bad as the Canelo fight, worse in my opinion.

Why ?

Because, Canelo intends to defend, and 27% NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW..... EVER!!

Well before that fight even took place, Team Pacquiao publicly stated that Manny will not defend his title, and that he will never fight a genuine JMW.....


27% never intended to fight a genuine JMW, he just wanted to cheat history by stealing a worthless paper title.

How fkn lame is that?

Go figure, what a cherry-picking b1tch ol' 27% turned out to be.

I am guessing that 27%'s anus shriveled up like a year-old prune when Sergio Martinez called him out. " no speak engrish "

if u believe that a good boxer can beat old shot fighters...which u believe pac has done in his last several fights...then how does that equate to pac being on PEDs? the mayweathers talk about pacs rise in weight and the fact that pac is KOing all his opponants...KOing? who? they were accumalation of punches, not 1 punch KO...accept for the hatton fight

i mean, you take the time and effort to downplay pacs win since beating hatton, and at the same time u associate pac to PEDS/steroids? u dont make sense to me, or you just have too much hate for pac, meaning u are a flo.mo sapian lovah

[el salsalero]

Shane Mosley
Sergio Martinez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Andre Berto

now
Robert Guerrero
Kell Brook
Victor Ortiz

all wants Pac, and will get in the ring with Manny in a heartbeat without OST. But Floyd wants OST............................Floyd is not afraid. Floyd is a warrior

Great matches have been made recently and past few months, from the smaller weights to the heaviest. From Donaire, Montiel, Calderon, Juanma Lopez, Rafe Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Alexander, Bradley, Martinez, Williams, Berto, Ortiz, Super Six, etc. and all have OST...........oooops NOT!
do we hear complaints for not having OST. Even the most significant heavyweight fight today Wlad Klitscho vs Haye doesn't have OST.
Floyd is not afraid. Floyd is a warrior

Mayweather Promotions doesn't even let their boxers do OST. That's how serious Floyd is with OST.

Fhuck you *******s! *****s are just protecting Floydie. *****s are Floydie's protective momma, they let Floydie hide under their skirt. "Don't get out of there until he gets OST"! or " I won't let Floydie out unless you take OST!"

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No answers yet? Anyone?

I just proved my point.

Thanks for the entertainment guys. I feel so smart.

Be back tomorrow. Gotta get my beauty sleep.

Your asss is pre-owned, but what the hell..... what's one more kick ?

Reasons.....

He gained nearly 15lbs of muscle, within 9 months, whilst ripping through 3 divisions gaining speed and power along the way all the while refusing random blood tests?

Man up pacroid..... take the test

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No answers yet? Anyone?

I just proved my point.

Thanks for the entertainment guys. I feel so smart.

Be back tomorrow. Gotta get my beauty sleep.

Huh ?

Me don't know stewoid.

Me don't know bus.

Me don't know cat.

Talk my plomoter.



Pac is full of ****.

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hahahaha,
you sure put alot of time and effort into downplaying everything pac,
you must be an obsessed pac hater

Hate is worthless, and can be easily discredited.

Everything in that post is 100% true, unless you can prove otherwise.

Waiting.....