"Andre Berto is a slick African American fighter who Manny is ducking"

[brick wall]

now that berto has been exposed, a pac-jmm 3 looks more likely to happen if jmm doesn't sign up with gbp. if it happenes, hopefully it will be at 140 not 147. any suggestion for a 135 fight is ******ed.

[Hi-Dro]

IN WHAT WORLD IS OK TO FIGHT A GUY WHO ONLY HAS ONE ****ING WIN IN THE DIVISION IN THE LAST 3 MUTHA****ING OVER AN UNDEFEATED TOP 3 TITLE HOLDER?

REALLY, IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT OK?

ONE WIN AT WW IN THE LAST 3 YEARS? AND, THIS SUPPOSE TO BE ACCEPTABLE AS A LEGIT CHALLENGE OVER AN UNDEFEATED TOP 3 TITLE HOLDER?

REALLY?

I can't believe what I am reading smh.

I was going to answer this but then I read what top rank wrote below and he basically answered it for me.

Sorry man....I'm not in favor of Berto getting a big payday as he represents everything that is wrong with the sport. Fighters like him are what really make the sport turn in a negative direction because the message it sends is this; "I [insert fighters name] can go out steal a bunch of money, fight bums because of HBO and Haymon backing and back door my way to a title shot against one of the biggest name in boxing".

Fvkk all of that, and I really don't feel sorry for Berto as he has had his chance to face big names but turned them down.

Even though Mosley has loss, at least he has attempted to be great and has taken on fighters know one else wanted to face. He fought Vernon when no one wanted to, Winky when no one wanted to and even when for guys like Margarito when people thought he was crazy for taking such a fight.

I think the fight is ****, but so would the Berto fight, unless you just like giving props because it looks good on paper.

To keep it real the only fights I wanna see Manny take on are Martinez or Floyd. That might be reaching but tbh those are the only fights that do anything for him career wise.

Beating Berto does squat as a fight with Floyd will be for the lineal and Ring belt anyways. All Berto did was bring an Alphabelt title he clearly had no business winning, and a Al Haymon/Kerry Davis/HBO hyped up recored that meant **** cuz he really hasn't fought anyone.

[Khalid X]

No offense Jrose but arguing Berto or Mosley, is like arguing which is better......a **** sandwich or a lump a **** on an ice cream cone.

I say this because both of those bouts are terrible match ups.

[jrosales13]

Pac is only fighting for Money now. Thus, it should not have happened.
I wasn't in favor of Mosley, or Marg, but to say Berto is more deserving then them of fighting pac is disrespectful to what they have done in boxing, as opposed to Berto who hasn't done ****. Nevertheless, I understand the emphasis of your argument, yet I don't agree with it.

A belt doesn't mean **** to me. I know who the "real" champions are, and I am aware of who the top dawgs are. Belts these days are given like nothing, such as Alvarez being handed one. Berto being undefeated doesn't mean **** either. He didn't fight anybody worthy of a challenge with the exception of Collazo who was in 2009. Chavez jr is undefeated to. It doesn't mean ****. His ranking doesn't mean **** either. Rankings are handed for free most times just like belts; either that or they are bought.

However, all of this on paper does seem solid in terms of Berto being a legit challenger for Pac before Ortiz beat him. Nevertheless, a paper doesn't mean ****, as you stated. Fights aren't only fought in the ring. They are earned in the ring. Sadly, that is not the case all the time.

Well shit lets have Pac fight Terry Norris next. For what Norris has done in boxing.

Lets stop living in yesteryear. Fuck what they have done in boxing. Is WTF they're doing now that matters.

I don't want to see the Klitschko's vs Holyfied cuz' of what Holy did for boxing. Fuck that.

Mosley has won ONE fucking fight man at WW in the last 3 fucking years. So to call a Pac-Berto fight BS or be OK with that fight not happening when you got this garbage ass fight in the horizon is fucking ******ed to me. I'm sorry, I am all for "La iglesia de Wapacman" and all. But, bullshit is bullshit...Berto was a more legit fight than both marg or Mosley.

[jrosales13]

No offense Jrose but arguing Berto or Mosley, is like arguing which is better......a **** sandwich or a lump a **** on an ice cream cone.

I say this because both of those bouts are terrible match ups.

That's where you're wrong.

Pac-berto was a legit fight. Would Pac had KO'd Berto. Absolutely. But, it was a legit, now not so much.

Pac-Mosley is not legit whatsoever...

One fucking win in the last 3 years in that division.

In what world is that better than an undefeated, top 3 title holder?

Jesus F'ing Christ.

[jrosales13]

Sorry man....I'm not in favor of Berto getting a big payday as he represents everything that is wrong with the sport. Fighters like him are what really make the sport turn in a negative direction because the message it sends is this; "I [insert fighters name] can go out steal a bunch of money, fight bums because of HBO and Haymon backing and back door my way to a title shot against one of the biggest name in boxing".

Fvkk all of that, and I really don't feel sorry for Berto as he has had his chance to face big names but turned them down.

Even though Mosley has loss, at least he has attempted to be great and has taken on fighters know one else wanted to face. He fought Vernon when no one wanted to, Winky when no one wanted to and even when for guys like Margarito when people thought he was crazy for taking such a fight.

I think the fight is ****, but so would the Berto fight, unless you just like giving props because it looks good on paper.

To keep it real the only fights I wanna see Manny take on are Martinez or Floyd. That might be reaching but tbh those are the only fights that do anything for him career wise.

Beating Berto does squat as a fight with Floyd will be for the lineal and Ring belt anyways. All Berto did was bring an Alphabelt title he clearly had no business winning, and a Al Haymon/Kerry Davis/HBO hyped up recored that meant **** cuz he really hasn't fought anyone.

So basically we're living off yesteryear? It's pretty much the same thing to keep on fighting old washed up recycled fighters cuz' of what they did years ago than fighting prime, undefeated top 3 title holder...GOTCHA.

I guess one win in the last 3 years in the division should be ignored.

[brick wall]

pac-berto would have looked good in form but poor in substance...though pac would still get his usual praises from the boxing world if he's the one who exposed berto.

[jrosales13]

pac-berto would have looked good in form but poor in substance...though pac would still get his usual praises from the boxing world if he's the one who exposed berto.

Why would it have looked poor in substance? I think it would have been a sensation looking victory for Pac. It would have been a highlight reel KO.

[Hi-Dro]

Well shit lets have Pac fight Terry Norris next. For what Norris has done in boxing.

Lets stop living in yesteryear. Fuck what they have done in boxing. Is WTF they're doing now that matters.

I don't want to see the Klitschko's vs Holyfied cuz' of what Holy did for boxing. Fuck that.

Mosley has won ONE fucking fight man at WW in the last 3 fucking years. So to call a Pac-Berto fight BS or be OK with that fight not happening when you got this garbage ass fight in the horizon is fucking ******ed to me. I'm sorry, I am all for "La iglesia de Wapacman" and all. But, bullshit is bullshit...Berto was a more legit fight than both marg or Mosley.

that's not what I meant. I merely meant that they are more proven then Berto. For all I know (based on what i've seen) Berto could possibly get knocked out cold by Pac in the first or second round. And I am not basing that on Ortiz beating him. I am basing that on the way he fights. I merely meant that I would pick Margarito, and Mosley over Berto in terms of competition for Pac. Do I support those fights, or believe they are legit?

No! I think both are bull****. Str8 bull****.

Nevertheless, that's not what we're arguing. The emphasis of this argument relies on whether Berto was a better fight for Pac then Mosley, or Marg, which based on my previous statements, and analysis I would have to say no it's not.

[| THE KING |]

We just saw a good action packed fight..

But in regards to Manny.. any fighter besides Floyd is a tune-up. Any boxer Manny chooses to fight.. will look like a mismatch.