Comments Thread For: Marquez Eyes Judah, But Won't Rule Out Manny Pacquiao

[SluggerFan]

Freddie Roach claimed this great "transformation" from Pac being a one dimensional fighter happen after he lost his first fight with a washed up Morales.

A washed up Morales in early 2005? Are you high or just plain ******. Morales only lost twice to Barrera and beat him once (IMO, Barrera won the first and third fight, Morales won the second) and you say Morales was washed up? Give me a break. Morales was still in his prime at that time standing toe to toe with Pacquiao and trading the entire fight. You want to see a washed up Morales, watch this weekend fight. I hate idiots who trash a guy who may now be washed up but six years ago, Morales was second only to Barrera, who if you remember, got trashed by Pacquiao. STFU with your skewed and biased nonsense...

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Judah is far from shot, and Marquez would box Khans ears off, possibly knock.him out, I got one mill on Judah any takers?

Ill take it if the offer still stands.

[DocG]

This is some BS why r u guys putting JMM in such a high pedestal anyways hes career defining moments r with manny and manny at this point straight blasts Juan anything over 140 and above the guy isnt a face first brawler now he doesnt fight the same way he used to Juan being the HOF he is very good boxer but give me a break man u think he can hang with Khan and bradley and Judah is very very fast has punching power and juan is very slow and no reflexes at the higher weights u know that ...and why r u desecrating manny's fight with hatton/cotto/clottey/toney u put juan against one of those guys the guy is in for the worst beating of hes life u kidding me..i think JMM v hatton would b a good fight but i see even hatton being a very strong at 140 dude think before u talk

This is exactly what these people dont get the guy is a totally different fighter than he used to b at FW and LW he can box/slug/brawl/fight going forward & backwards and he angles alot blind spot u alot great counter puncher and defecively is much more sound and uses hes legs alot in these higher weights cuz hes footwork is very very good u combine that with halacious speed... and manny hits very hard its not even funny for hes size the guy is a well rounded fighter now

AGREE!!!

[ThePrince]

Marquez is a ***** imo.. he goes after that 4th title vs an old shot Judah.. when Khan was offered he wanted nothing to do with it..

Judah is neither old nor shot, what are you talking about?

I actually think a Marquez-Judah matchup is pretty intriguing and there's a good storyline there- style clash, JMM going after his 4th title, etc.

BUT

If Marquez doesn't go after the biggest payday of his career and a rubber match with Pac after all that yapping and t-shirts now that the offer is on the table more or less, we have to call that an official duck. If he takes a $1-2 million pay day against Zab and turns down $8-10 to fight Manny especially after Arum let it be known publicly that if he wants some he can come get some, then it should be clear as day what happened.

Marquez never had any intention of fighting Manny and only used the threat of jumping ship and becoming a 'free agent' to force GBP to give him more money and a better contract.

Let's see how this plays out...

[hitking]

A washed up Morales in early 2005? Are you high or just plain ******. Morales only lost twice to Barrera and beat him once (IMO, Barrera won the first and third fight, Morales won the second) and you say Morales was washed up? Give me a break. Morales was still in his prime at that time standing toe to toe with Pacquiao and trading the entire fight. You want to see a washed up Morales, watch this weekend fight. I hate idiots who trash a guy who may now be washed up but six years ago, Morales was second only to Barrera, who if you remember, got trashed by Pacquiao. STFU with your skewed and biased nonsense...

Actually, Pac's loss to Morales came smack in the middle of a 1-5 string for El Terrible, in which he was totally dominated by a C class fighter in Zahir Raheem (immediately after his win over Pac) and lost to another Class fighter in David Diaz. I'd say a fighter that at his peak was on of the top 5 P4P fighters in the world losing to C class competition is a pretty good indicator that his best days are clearly behind him. Have you ever thought that maybe he able to beat Pac, and stand in and give him a good fight in the rematch, while simulaneously losing to C class competition because Pac isn't as great as your kind want him to be???

[hitking]

Pacman still lacks power in his right hand during the 2nd fight. Then he started to develop it thereafter and now with better speed and angles...

If you assume he is hittable...it's because he allows himself to get hit like in the Clottey fight just for Clottey to open up and do his counters. And he also knows he could take the punches of his opponent then fire back more. Aside from speed, angles, and power...note also his chin....it's granite!

All that, "Pac allows himself to be hit" is pure garbage. When Clottey was able to land, Pac had his guard up and Clottey was penetrating the guard with uppercuts. Cotto was able to land on him. Margarito was able to land on him. And at what time was he blasting Clottey with counters? When does Pac ever ste up counters for that matter? The Clottey fight was mostly Clottey covering up, Pac hitting him on the gloves and arms, and Jim Lamply screaming "****."

[Illdil]

Actually, Pac's loss to Morales came smack in the middle of a 1-5 string for El Terrible, in which he was totally dominated by a C class fighter in Zahir Raheem (immediately after his win over Pac) and lost to another Class fighter in David Diaz. I'd say a fighter that at his peak was on of the top 5 P4P fighters in the world losing to C class competition is a pretty good indicator that his best days are clearly behind him. Have you ever thought that maybe he able to beat Pac, and stand in and give him a good fight in the rematch, while simulaneously losing to C class competition because Pac isn't as great as your kind want him to be???

whats up with the your kind my kind stuff what r u racist now...

[hitking]

This is some BS why r u guys putting JMM in such a high pedestal anyways hes career defining moments r with manny and manny at this point straight blasts Juan anything over 140 and above the guy isnt a face first brawler now he doesnt fight the same way he used to Juan being the HOF he is very good boxer but give me a break man u think he can hang with Khan and bradley and Judah is very very fast has punching power and juan is very slow and no reflexes at the higher weights u know that ...and why r u desecrating manny's fight with hatton/cotto/clottey/toney u put juan against one of those guys the guy is in for the worst beating of hes life u kidding me..i think JMM v hatton would b a good fight but i see even hatton being a very strong at 140 dude think before u talk

The only think I have to think about when talking Pacquaio-Marquez is that JMM has probably taken 15 of 24 rounds from Pac. All that other you're talking stuff is a lot of maybes. And the sole reason behind it is that people assume that JMM is worthless as a welterweight based on a one fight in the division against probably the most talented fighter of his era. Please. I'm sorry if I'm not from the school of JMM being one the top 5 fighters of his era as a lightweight and becomes a total bum as a welterweight. That's not even logical. People have used the weight in the Mayweather fight as a excuse to **** on Money's performance. I'm not buying it. JMM can fight, period. And no one knows that better than Congressman Wapakman.

[hitking]

whats up with the your kind my kind stuff what r u racist now...

When I say, "your kind", I'm referring to those who reside in Pacland, regardless of race. Please, let's not play the race card when discussing boxing. Its not needed with me.

[SluggerFan]

Actually, Pac's loss to Morales came smack in the middle of a 1-5 string for El Terrible, in which he was totally dominated by a C class fighter in Zahir Raheem (immediately after his win over Pac) and lost to another Class fighter in David Diaz. I'd say a fighter that at his peak was on of the top 5 P4P fighters in the world losing to C class competition is a pretty good indicator that his best days are clearly behind him. Have you ever thought that maybe he able to beat Pac, and stand in and give him a good fight in the rematch, while simulaneously losing to C class competition because Pac isn't as great as your kind want him to be???

First off, every great warrior has one great last fight! Plus, after the Pacquiao fight, it was widely reported that Morales feel into a depression and was using *******. Against Rahim, he showed up slow, undertrained and just plain lethargic. So, don't go throwing around box-rec's website to prove your point. The bottom line is Morales last great fight was against Pacquiao in 2005, period. If you can't see that, you are blind. You can't claim a fighter washed up when he is winning most of his fights and only has two losses against a guy considered the best in the division. That's like saying Holyfield was washed up when he beat Bowe in their second fight because he lost to Michael Moorer afterward. A fighter loses afterward because guys like Holyfield and Morales have had many wars previously. Hello, that's what happens. Every great fighter has one great last performance. Holyfield's was against Moorer in their second fight and Morale's was against Pacquiao in 2005... Period! Are you going to say if JMM loses to Judah if they fight he was washed up when he beat Katsidis? Answer me that???