Is Ortiz already at the make it or break it point in his career??

[Eaner0919]

Somehow I cant help to think that this kid could use better management.......

nah bruh

he had

Cameron Dunkin- regarded as the best in the biz bar none
Shelly Finkel- one of the best of his time
Rolondo Arellano- guided Feroz to success

it wasn't that

[extracurRICular]

it was a Fight Night Club and most of press row was wondering why he wasn't going after Hector

it was awful

Keep in mind I haven't seen the fight.......but what was so horrible.........didn't he win that fight by KO??? I could be wrong...........but I think I remember him with a late KO no?

[Eaner0919]

Keep in mind I haven't seen the fight.......but what was so horrible.........didn't he win that fight by KO??? I could be wrong...........but I think I remember him with a late KO no?

he played it way too safe against a guy who was there for nothing more than a paycheck. There were literally time lapses where you got the sense Victor was treating him like he was top tier opposition. Considering the level of opponent you would have expected him being a little more daring

[JmH Reborn]

I honestly feel that Ortiz needs to hang em up for a year or two. I really like this mexican kid. I feel he has alot of heart and has certain 'IT' qualities to make him into a star, however he has zero confidence in himself right now and that's going to translate into a fearful ass whupping, either by Berto or someone else.

I also don't like the way they are matching him up either. I'm all for giving out hard fights, but he was tested physically and emotionally. He did the best he could and lost. But he they should have brought him back little by little, baby steps. Getting the viscious back into his game. Put him on ESPN as a headliner, some FNF or Telefutura fights. But he went to Peterson, who I think is a quality fighter, and he fought timidly. He's going up against Berto now, who is bigger and stronger.

He's young enough where he can go away for a minute, get busy with other options, while searching for that Tigerblood that Charlie Sheen is on, then make a comeback. So yes, to answer your question, he is at that point

[extracurRICular]

he played it way too safe against a guy who was there for nothing more than a paycheck. There were literally time lapses where you got the sense Victor was treating him like he was top tier opposition. Considering the level of opponent you would have expected him being a little more daring

I guess ill just have to check it out for myself..........not for nothing but it's kinda hard to hate on a kat if at the end of the day he wins by KO.......well actually TKO.....I just looked it up............but I suppose he coulda had a lucky shot after fighting a horrible fight I suppose.......ill see if I can check out the fight over the weekend.........

[Eaner0919]

I guess ill just have to check it out for myself..........not for nothing but it's kinda hard to hate on a kat if at the end of the day he wins by KO.......well actually TKO.....I just looked it up............but I suppose he coulda had a lucky shot after fighting a horrible fight I suppose.......ill see if I can check out the fight over the weekend.........

why?

people **** all over the Klitschkos for winning by KO all the time.

[Eaner0919]

I honestly feel that Ortiz needs to hang em up for a year or two. I really like this mexican kid. I feel he has alot of heart and has certain 'IT' qualities to make him into a star, however he has zero confidence in himself right now and that's going to translate into a fearful ass whupping, either by Berto or someone else.

I also don't like the way they are matching him up either. I'm all for giving out hard fights, but he was tested physically and emotionally. He did the best he could and lost. But he they should have brought him back little by little, baby steps. Getting the viscious back into his game. Put him on ESPN as a headliner, some FNF or Telefutura fights. But he went to Peterson, who I think is a quality fighter, and he fought timidly. He's going up against Berto now, who is bigger and stronger.

He's young enough where he can go away for a minute, get busy with other options, while searching for that Tigerblood that Charlie Sheen is on, then make a comeback. So yes, to answer your question, he is at that point

dude what do you call

Antonio Diaz
Hector Alatorre
Nate Campbell
Vivian Harris?

if that's not little by little nothing is

they gave him a chance to grow back into his "vicious" mode.

ever think it's actually him and not everyone else around him?

[Ray*]

Yes, I feel like that too. He has been hail as the next big thing for a while now, After his lackluster performaces against Maidana he seem to have change his style which hasnt been favourable with a lot of fight fans, GBP has done a lot for him in feeding him shot but known name fighters and i think now they just want to throw him in there with Berto and just hope for the best outcome.

[Eaner0919]

he reminds me of the kid who was raised easy because he was so talented in whatever he did. Given lots of leeway, given the best chances to succeed, deflecting any blame off them etc etc.

the one thing you cannot teach is how to handle adversity when it strikes. You either fight or flight

Ortiz has shown more flight than fight and in this business that's unacceptable

[Capo Loko]

Oritz is going to end up like Baby Bull.
End of Story.

Berto is going to murder this kid. Rios will finish him off (if it ever happens...& if Rios works on his ******** defense).

I really hope Ortiz pulls it off , but I doubt it.