Nobody talks about how Donaire punched a fallen Montiel...

[toyboy33]

The punch didn't land. Other camera angles prove it.

[badass316]

Not looking for similar fouls, and I have no wish to bring up an old issue and compare it with an even older one. Just refreshing people's minds with a recent incident.

Yeah well the incidents aren't comparable because the circumstances are completely different. Like I suggested earlier, you should find a better example to compare with the AA situation because the Donaire one is clearly a poor choice.

[Bierstadt]

'Cos he barely clipped him and Montiel is a real fighter not like Dirrell.

Point being that he threw the punch.

In slow motion, Donaire is a bad man.

In slow motion, Abraham had enough time to read the Sunday newspaper from the following week.

And in slow motion, Dirrell looked as if he was contemplating whether to fall down or not, but in full speed he barely had time to scratch his nose. I was never a big supporter of the theory that he made the decision to take a dive so to speak, but he sure did act his way to Hollywood once he got up.

[Bierstadt]

Yeah well the incidents aren't comparable because the circumstances are completely different. Like I suggested earlier, you should find a better example to compare with the AA situation because the Donaire one is clearly a poor choice.

No hard feelings, I know perfectly well what you're saying.

[-Kev-]

When you see it in normal motion you see Montiel's knee was actually not on the canvas yet. And slow motion makes you think too much, in regular footage, you see it's really not as bad as slow motion makes it out to be.

[badass316]

No hard feelings, I know perfectly well what you're saying.

Same here. I understand the point you're trying to get across, it's just that I don't agree with the idea of you using the Donaire situation to compare with the AA one.

I was critical of what AA did because it was indeed a foul, but at the same time I feel no remorse for Dirrell either. Dirrell is one of the biggest *****es in boxing. What he did after AA hit him was clearly an act, which was further vindicated by his crying session afterward. When the going got tough, he looked for a way to weasel out of it, and it worked.

[Bierstadt]

When you see it in normal motion you see Montiel's knee was actually not on the canvas yet. And slow motion makes you think too much, in regular footage, you see it's really not as bad as slow motion makes it out to be.

We have a winner. Now apply that to Abraham-Dirrell.

[miron_lang]

Montiel is falling down.


Manny Pacquiao also threw a right hook againts David Diaz while falling down. Both of those shots are perfectly legal like the left hook David Tua Landed on John Ruiz. Ruiz was falling and Tua connected another left hook.


As i remember it Abraham's was comparable to Roy-Griffin I.

[miron_lang]

Point being that he threw the punch.

In slow motion, Donaire is a bad man.

No.

That punch is legal. Montiel is not yet down. See Tua-Ruiz.

Can you post the Abrahan gif for comparison?

[Mr. Philadel]

Clear as day in the slow motion replay.

Donaire repositions his body, looks at the falling Montiel (who's right knee is already touching the ground), bends down, and hits him right on the forehead with a hook, the same way Abraham landed his punch.

The very same people who will say "It's so different, he already knocked him out/down, it was in the heat of the moment, happens in boxing all the time, blah blah blah" are the ones who ostracized Abraham last year. In normal speed Abraham's punch did appear "in the heat of the moment," but everyone threw a fit when they watched the slow motion as if Arthur calculated all his actions, had some tea, and decided to give Dirrell an excuse out of the tourney.
Watching the slow motion of the Montiel knock out, it also appears as if Donaire intentionally punches an obviously downed opponent. See the similarities but the polarized responses to each?

Now, of course, I do understand that the situations are different, I'm just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy.


P.S. I'm no brain trauma expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if that follow-up punch actually caused some damage as well. The counter left obviously stunned him something terrible, but the second punch may have also worsened his dizziness and thus he could barely get up. Montiel should argue for a no contest. If he gets a good lawyer they can easily twist it that way.

GOOD POST!!!!!