Nobody talks about how Donaire punched a fallen Montiel...

[Russian Crushin]

He wasnt down yet and i doubt it could have caused him any brain injury since he hit him in his left shoulder

[Bierstadt]

it doesn't matter cause nonito didn't land it flush because he was out of position after he threw the hardest punch of his life... and also you're watching it in slow motion.

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AA's punch was blatant...

nonito's was in the heat of the moment... if you don't slow down the replay, you can see the uppercut was a split second after the left hook

So Abraham, who maybe took twice as long as Donaire, making it a roughly one second response time, had enough time to analyze his actions and make a decision?


As another poster mentioned, it is very much an instinctual reflex acquired through constant habit of punching people.


Not here to argue, all I am saying is that if Abraham is a villain than Donaire's a (maybe lesser) menace as well.

[ThePunchingBag]

AA's punch was blatant...

nonito's was in the heat of the moment... if you don't slow down the replay, you can see the uppercut was a split second after the left hook

I don't think it was completely blatant.

Abraham was getting frustrated by Dirrell's constant head movement and by that point Abraham was head hunting, looking for 1 big shot.

When Dirrell tripped and dropped his guard Abraham just saw Dirrell's head finally stay still, so he instinctively threw the punch. I don't think he noticed Dirrell on the floor until the punch was done.

That's my perspective, having been in fights many times and not realizing certain things because I was focusing too hard on a single target.

[Bierstadt]

fucking punch barely even touched him :laugh:
shit thread

Point being he threw the punch. Doesn't matter if it landed flush or not.

Was it Donaire's conscious intention to hit a falling opponent? The same way Abraham intentionally punched Dirrell fully aware that he was on the ground?

[Termite]

Clear as day in the slow motion replay.

Donaire repositions his body, looks at the falling Montiel (who's right knee is already touching the ground), bends down, and hits him right on the forehead with a hook, the same way Abraham landed his punch.

The very same people who will say "It's so different, he already knocked him out/down, it was in the heat of the moment, happens in boxing all the time, blah blah blah" are the ones who ostracized Abraham last year. In normal speed Abraham's punch did appear "in the heat of the moment," but everyone threw a fit when they watched the slow motion as if Arthur calculated all his actions, had some tea, and decided to give Dirrell an excuse out of the tourney.
Watching the slow motion of the Montiel knock out, it also appears as if Donaire intentionally punches an obviously downed opponent. See the similarities but the polarized responses to each?

Now, of course, I do understand that the situations are different, I'm just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy.


P.S. I'm no brain trauma expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if that follow-up punch actually caused some damage as well. The counter left obviously stunned him something terrible, but the second punch may have also worsened his dizziness and thus he could barely get up. Montiel should argue for a no contest. If he gets a good lawyer they can easily twist it that way.

was the gloves on the canvass already????????even if he hit him d punch is still legal!!!! diot!!!

[sNiTcH]

From the other angle you can see that the punch didn't land. If you have the full fight, re-watch it again.

this ..

but then again, the ref wants donaire to add another punch

[Pullcounter]

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So Abraham, who maybe took twice as long as Donaire, making it a roughly one second response time, had enough time to analyze his actions and make a decision?


As another poster mentioned, it is very much an instinctual reflex acquired through constant habit of punching people.


Not here to argue, all I am saying is that if Abraham is a villain than Donaire's a (maybe lesser) menace as well.

ok I take the "blatant" back,

but AA was desperate and frustrated. he needed to end the fight.

donaire was whupping montiel easy and had no desperation.

if anyone was blatant with the sucker punch, it was AA.

[Bierstadt]

He wasnt down yet and i doubt it could have caused him any brain injury since he hit him in his left shoulder

You can take that last statement I made with a grain of salt.

[Bierstadt]

was the gloves on the canvass already????????even if he hit him d punch is still legal!!!! diot!!!

The point of this thread seems to just fly over everyone's head.

[Jack Napier]

Point being he threw the punch. Doesn't matter if it landed flush or not.

Was it Donaire's conscious intention to hit a falling opponent? The same way Abraham intentionally punched Dirrell fully aware that he was on the ground?

you say nobody talks about it as though it's even slightly relevant :laugh:
Montiel was out as soon as the hook landed
reflex action for Nonito to throw an extra right hand
this is no big deal at all
and fuck Dirrell, glad he got blatantly KTFO while down