Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao: I'll Fight Mayweather, The Fans Want It

[Pullcounter]

Do you know the meaning of the word cutoff?

yep... let me use it in a sentence for you:

the USDA cut off blood testing mosley 18 day before the fight and cut off blood testing wifebeater 18 days before the fight.

Doubtful, troll. Random doesn't have a cutoff, so the mosley fight had no cutoff.

it's been clearly reported on mulitple boxing websites that the USDA stopped bloodtesting 18 day before the mayweather/mosley fight. google it.

[Larry the boss]

No need testing, N!gger **** *****s r ready retired. He'l probably slang some dirty N!gger words at Twitter to hype for his come back but he will need to suck tightly HAYMON greasy hanky. I never believed this mutt is tested, but i do Mosley was tested like a fcking Laboratory chimp, see Mosley got nothing left. This ****ty N!gger is nothing but HO & Tricks

how the hell are posts like this allowed??

[Pullcounter]

Can you please explain to me how random testing has cut off dates?

yep...

the USDA cut off bloodtesting for mosley 18 days before the fight and for wifebeater 19 days before the fight.

Btw, I thought Pac agreed to take a test any day, any time, including between rounds

pac's last offer to wifebeater in the 2nd round of negotations was 7 days.

[Larry the boss]

yep... let me use it in a sentence for you:

the USDA cut off blood testing mosley 18 day before the fight and cut off blood testing wifebeater 18 days before the fight.


it's been clearly reported on mulitple boxing websites that the USDA stopped bloodtesting 18 day before the mayweather/mosley fight. google it.

they didnt know they wouldnt be tested man..stop repeating the same ****..its random when you dont know..when you know you wont be tested its not random..get it?

[Pullcounter]

Yahoo/Travis Tygart

But if you’re thinking that concession will lead to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao on Nov. 13, slow down. There is a big difference between what Pacquiao told Giongco he’d agree to and what Mayweather and Mosley did, said Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of USADA.

“That totally misses the point,” Tygart said of the reaction some may have upon hearing of Pacquiao’s concession and the timing of Mayweather’s last blood test. “If you know you aren’t going to be tested within the last 14 days, you can cheat and get away with it. It is our right to test at any time, 30 days before the fight, 20 days before, the week of, the morning of – that provides the deterrent. If you block out a period of time and say we can’t test during that period, then an athlete could cheat and get away with it.”



Explains that there was no Cut off date. He had the right to test when he wanted.

... it's obvious that the dates were chose (ie. pre-arranged) rather than random (not pre-arranged). The fact that mosley and trollweather didn't have foreknowledge doesn't make the test "random" as per the definition of "random" as "without prior arrangement".

"So, having that post-fight with the ability to re-test it with that new test made us totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between."

translation: since the USDA gets to keep the blood samples they chose 18 days as a good cut off date.

conclusion: the 18 day cut off wasn't a random date... it was chosen. in other words pre-arranged (without the foreknowledge of wifebeater and mosley, but like I said, lack of foreknowledge isn't the same thing as lack of prior arrangement).


"And then, they were going to hope and pray that whatever fighter lost, that fighter was going to blame the blood test."

translation: the USDA chose an 18 day cut off because it was far enough from the fight that the loser of the fight couldn't blame the blood test for losing the fight.

conclusion: the 18 day cut off wasn't a random date. the USDA pre-arranged that date to avoid the loser of the fight blaming them for the lost because of the invasive testing.

therefore I re-assert that a 7 day cut off is better than an 18 day cut off.

thank you, come again

[Carpe Diem]

how the hell are posts like this allowed??

**cough*Agenda**cough**

[Larry the boss]

yep...

the USDA cut off bloodtesting for mosley 18 days before the fight and for wifebeater 19 days before the fight.



pac's last offer to wifebeater in the 2nd round of negotations was 7 days.

how do you know??cause konz said it???smh

[Larry the boss]

**cough*Agenda**cough**

if you make a racial statement to a manny fan you;ll be banned instantly

[Pullcounter]

they didnt know they wouldnt be tested man..stop repeating the same ****..its random when you dont know..when you know you wont be tested its not random..get it?

there's a difference between "random" and "lack of foreknowledge".

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Originally Posted by QADASHBANYAH Okay slowmo, I will take it easy on you.. No where in shane/floyd's contract was there a 18 day cut off... It was no where to be found.... Its not even logical to think they will test them everyday...... THE CONTRACT STATED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING RANDOM: Without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way: Contestants were chosen at random from the studio audience. DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT RANDOM MEANS? THERE IS NO SPECIFIC DATE!!! MANNY IS ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC DATE. THIS **** BY DEFINITION MEANS MANNY IS NOT WILLING TO TAKE RANDOM BLOOD TEST! Everytime you spout that x18 day nonsense, I ask myself does this guy know what RANDOM MEANS??? EVER PLAYED A FIGHTING GAME (SAY MORTAL KOMBAT) AND 'RANDOM SELECTED' A CHARACTER?? THE POINT IS YOU DONT KNOW WHO ITS GOING TO BE OR WHAT FIGHTER THE CURSOR WILL SELECT.You dont even know how many times the cursor will move until it selects someone. This is random!!! So please stop saying the 18 day nonsense, since you now have teh definition to RANDOM.... IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. DONT BE WILLFULLY IGNORANT MY DUDE, BECAUSE YOU LIKE A FIGHTER. Manny wants a guaranteed cutoff day !!!!! Do you understand the difference??? Each day shane and floyd was expecting them to show up, even if they didnt.. Thats the thing about RANDOM.... They could show up at any time!!! AT ANY TIME!!!! MANNY WAS TRYING TO CONTROL THE TESTING... WHY WOULD HE WANT TO CONTROL TESTING?? BECAUSE THATS THE WAY CHEATING IS DONE. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO CATCH A THIEF, YOU DONT TELL HIM WHAT TIME YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR HIM DO YOU?

wow... you're so ****in dumb... you had the definition of "random" in your post, but then you go and define "random" as something else... let's review

The defiintion of random as posted by you:
Quote:

RANDOM: Without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way:

here's you redefining what "random" means to fit your agenda.
Quote:

THE POINT IS YOU DONT KNOW WHO ITS GOING TO BE OR WHAT FIGHTER THE CURSOR WILL SELECT.You dont even know how many times the cursor will move until it selects someone.

"without adherence to prior arrangement" is not the same as "without prior foreknowledge".

"without adherence to prior arrangement" entails "without prior foreknowledge", but "without prior foreknowledge" does not entail "without adherence to prior arrangement".

in laymans terms, just cause you didn't know something was gonna happen doesn't mean that ***** was random.

for the wifebeater/mosley fight, the testing was not "random". True, wifebeater and mosley didn't have foreknowledge, but the blood testing was prearranged. "how so?" you may ask... simple, the USDA prearranged the cut off date for bloodtesting mosley at 18 days and 19 for wifebeater. the USDA prearranged the times when they were gonna come bloodtest wifebeater and mosley. that doesn't sound "random" to me.

"But wifebeater and mosley didn't know when they were gonna be bloodtested?" you ask? true, but once again lack of foreknowledge is not the same thing as lack of prearrangement.

now how does this apply to a 7 day cut off for pac/trollweather if the fight ever comes off?

it's simple. pac and maytroller will not have foreknowledge of any impending pre-arranged bloodtesting through out their entire training camp up until 7 days before the fight. They will know that there won't be any bloodtesting in the 7 days before the fight, but they will not know when any impending pre-arranged urine testing will occur during that time.

"but what if pac or wifebeater take PEDs within those 7 days" you ask? I will answer that question with a few questions: How many PEDS can pac or wifebeater take that will actually be effective within a 7 day window in time to help them in the fight (give me a list)? And of those PEDs that you give, how many of them can thwart the urine-testing in those 7 days and immediately after the fight? how many of those PEDs can thwart a blood-test given immediately after the fight? Given that 7 days prior to the fight when the training camp has already winded down and the boxers are in heavy promotion is taking PEDs in those 7 days even going to help?

Now, if you can answer all those questions, I will be able to answer the question "but what if pac or wifebeater take PEDs within those 7 days".

Therefore, I re-assert my position that a 7 day cut off is superior to an 18 day cut off in that bloodtesting can be done up to 7 days before the fight rather than 18 days before the fight.

thank you, come again.

[Pullcounter]

how do you know??cause konz said it???smh

how do you know there weren't negotiations? cause ellerbe said it? smh