D.Rafael: "Floyd would TOY with Tito Trinidad and he would beat JCC as well"

[Heru]

Chavez was never much of a welterweight. Mayweather would handily beat Chavez there.

However, the Chavez of lower weights, particularly at 135 (the Rosario fight especially), that's a whole different story. Chavez was heavy-handed, cut off the ring extremely well, slipped and rolled with shots well, underrated boxing skills, iron chin....He was a hell of a fighter, I'd make him the favorite at lightweight.

Good post.

People come to the conclusion that Mayweather=Whitaker, so of course > JCC. Using that logic, JCC > JLCastillo, so he would do better than Castillo did.

Taking nothing away from Whitaker, but that was, what? JCC's 80th fight and 4th weight class?

Mayweather-Chavez at 140 or under would have been a very good fight. I lean toward Mayweather, but he only had 1 chance to win and it was by decision. JCC could've won by decision or TKO, even with that, I can't envision neither of them winning easy against each other in their primes.

[wazaa.]

Not really, didn't Tito fight Pernell BEFORE he fought DLH and Pernell gave DLH a much better fight.

Styles make fights, a cliche but very true.

Pernell scored a BS knock down vs DLH which was actually a trip but Trinidad knocked Pernell down twice.

Trinidad decided to use his strength and size vs Whitaker, while instead DLH decided to stand outside and out box him, basically playing into Whitakers strengths.

Oscar fought Whitaker first...

[Thread Stealer]

Not really, didn't Tito fight Pernell BEFORE he fought DLH and Pernell gave DLH a much better fight.

Styles make fights, a cliche but very true.

Pernell scored a BS knock down vs DLH which was actually a trip but Trinidad knocked Pernell down twice.

Trinidad decided to use his strength and size vs Whitaker, while instead DLH decided to stand outside and out box him, basically playing into Whitakers strengths.

The Trinidad-Whitaker fight was 2 years after De La Hoya-Whitaker.

Whitaker was definitely faded by then. He wasn't the same since he had gone to welterweight anyway, but clearly had shown his decline in 1996 with the fights against Wilfredo Rivera and then his performance early in 1997 against Diobleys Hurtado. De La Hoya was Whitaker's last great performance, but unfortunately the great performance was only on the defensive side.

That said, Trinidad would always give Whitaker problems due to his much bigger size, stength, range, punch selection and accuracy. I'd favor the Whitaker of 1993-95 at WW over Trinidad, but it wouldn't be an easy fight.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Not really, didn't Tito fight Pernell BEFORE he fought DLH and Pernell gave DLH a much better fight.

Pea fought Tito before he fought DLH? No, he didn't.

Yes really. That Whitaker had lost a lot from his game, had lost something even from the one that fought DLH.

Whitaker anywhere near his best makes a nonsense of Tito's "strength and size".

[Champ Is Here]

Let me get this straight from the haters. Floyd beats both of those guys is the common answer. He loses to any great fighter from the 80's? Pacquiao crushes him? He feared Margarito? SRL knocks him out and Hearns knocks him out? Duran embarasses him? Mosley doesnt count as a legit win even though Pac's now fighting him? He dodged Cotto? Khan stands a chance against him? Pep had better defense? Hatton wasnt any good until Pac fought him? De la Hoya at 147 is a bigger win than Hoya at 154? Beating Marquez is being a bully? Oscar beats a much smaller Gatti and it masterful? floyd moves up beats Gatti and its a shame even though Gatti's a champ? He calls out a prime Mosley and he cant fight because his tooth hurts for I guess the next year? Hes koed 60% (which is about the ratio for most ATG's)of his challengers but yet he's classified as a runner? Does that about cover it? All of this cant be true for one person.

Its sad isn't it. All you can do is smh at the haters

[studentofthegam]

Good post.

People come to the conclusion that Mayweather=Whitaker, so of course > JCC. Using that logic, JCC > JLCastillo, so he would do better than Castillo did.

Taking nothing away from Whitaker, but that was, what? JCC's 80th fight and 4th weight class?

Mayweather-Chavez at 140 or under would have been a very good fight. I lean toward Mayweather, but he only had 1 chance to win and it was by decision. JCC could've won by decision or TKO, even with that, I can't envision neither of them winning easy against each other in their primes.

No. People who are honest know Floyd is better than Whitaker.

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I think Mayweather fares better at WW against Trinidad than he does against Chavez at LW.

Despite the natural size disadvantage, I think Mayweather uses his speed, boxing skills, ring IQ, and much better footwork to win a decision over Trinidad. Mayweather would have to be very careful due to Trinidad's power, he wasn't just a left hook guy, but had a very good straight right hand too. But Mayweather was much better with angles, taking away an opponent's best weapon, and Tito was also vulnerable to a straight right hand. Oscar, known as a left-hand happy fighter, was hitting him with frequency with the straight right. The straight right is Floyd's best punch, and I think he'd get this punch through.

Chavez wasn't as big or powerful as Trinidad, but was much better at cutting off the ring than Trinidad. He was also a better in-fighter (Tito was more mid-range) and better at slipping shots. Simply put, Chavez was a better fighter than Trinidad.

[IronDanHamza]

Not really.

Sorry? What? Pernell Whitaker wasn't faded against Tito?

He was coming off a 2 year lay off/******* binge, the guy was done man, done.

[Pacquiao'd]

the fatboys a *****?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I think Mayweather fares better at WW against Trinidad than he does against Chavez at LW.

Despite the natural size disadvantage, I think Mayweather uses his speed, boxing skills, ring IQ, and much better footwork to win a decision over Trinidad. Mayweather would have to be very careful due to Trinidad's power, he wasn't just a left hook guy, but had a very good straight right hand too. But Mayweather was much better with angles, taking away an opponent's best weapon, and Tito was also vulnerable to a straight right hand. Oscar, known as a left-hand happy fighter, was hitting him with frequency with the straight right. The straight right is Floyd's best punch, and I think he'd get this punch through.

Chavez wasn't as big or powerful as Trinidad, but was much better at cutting off the ring than Trinidad. He was also a better in-fighter (Tito was more mid-range) and better at slipping shots. Simply put, Chavez was a better fighter than Trinidad.

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