D.Rafael: "Floyd would TOY with Tito Trinidad and he would beat JCC as well"

[IronDanHamza]

I honestly couldn't name 100 fighters greater than him and I bet you couldn't either, he has arguably the best undefeated record of all-time debatable to only two ATGs, is an ATG 130lber in his own right, though its not one of the original 8 great it is still fairly deep historically speaking, and he beat an ATG LW in their prime, and he was a legit champion in multiple weight-classes. I don't see how he is not an ATG.

Floyd is an ATG, obviously.

He is unquestionablly an ATG Jr Lightweight, unquestionablly.

I wouldn't call Jose Luis Castillo an ATG lightweight but still, Floyd is an ATG, very difficult to dispute that IMO.

[RubenSonny]

Floyd is an ATG, obviously.

He is unquestionablly an ATG Jr Lightweight, unquestionablly.

I wouldn't call Jose Luis Castillo an ATG lightweight but still, Floyd is an ATG, very difficult to dispute that IMO.

Top 20 LW in my book and thats a hell of a deep division, his run was quality.

[Steak]

Neither one of you has directly disputed any of the similarities I made between Hearns and Williams. Just because is not an answer.

I didnt say Hatton and Duran are just alike but watching that fight their far from opposites. Head in chest fighters.

Jcc is slow. Yes Floyd had a hard time with Castillo the first time but hasnt had trouble with anyone since. Whats the big deal with me thinking he's one of the best we've seen. Is it because he's ****y and thinks he's the best. Im sure at least half the fighters to ever lace up think the same.

Hatton and Duran fought nothing alike. nothing. Duran was a passive aggressive counter puncher, Hatton was someone who flat out bulled into opponents and mauled them.

theyre both boxers, and they both could infight. thats about it.

Mayweather is an ATG but to just ignore that stylistically his toughest fights of his career were against Chavez's lesser sparring partner is crazy.

[studentofthegam]

dan cant more indecisive. floyd ducked margo and cotto but would walk through tito? tito whips cheato and cotto easily

I can always count on you for comic relief

if these two guys aren't mirror images of each other (except that baldo is bigger and chavez throws an occassional counter) I don't know who is..

I would say you picked the wrong clips to prove your point. They through at the same angles. Big looping body shots. Chavez was a little faster. Surprisingly Baldo had better D. Or more so he was more concious of his defense. Chavez is better no doubt. I mentioned their size because Chavez wouldnt have been as imposing as Baldo was to Floyd. He's a huge welter that beat some good guys.

I think he's 1 fight from being an atg, a fight vs the right person.

Now it would have killed you to say that to me.

i don't talk money. means nothing


tata-jcc

how many fights did tata have before he lost? how many did jcc?

Its great that he won a lot before he ever lost but the comp is atleast suspect up until Pernell. I didnt compare their record anyway.

so whoever makes the most $ is the greatest fighter is what you're saying???

just cuz fighters want to make some money doesn't mean shi t.

the answer to the bold is mike tyson/oscar delahoya

I've seen plenty of fighters say the same thing I think. floyd has the potential to be atg, he's already hof lock. but he hasn't done much of anything since avenging the almost draw vs castillo that an atg would do. he doesn't ACT like an atg, he doesn't seek fights to increase his place in boxing history. if he did, he would have actually had a 5 fight plan. he wouldn't take the easiest possible fights for the most $ for the last 8.5 years.

No. Im saying whoever can make 50 ***in million per fight is very much in the conversation. You can smoke and screen the public to get a B fighter in the millions but you cant smoke and screen even the most casual fan into believing a fighter deserves 50 mil for a fight unless he's the truth. Pac cant even make that kinda money without Floyd and he's an ATG in my book. Tyson isnt an ATG? De la Hoya isnt an ATG? You gotta whip ass to get those kinda checks. And you dont make five fight plans when you've been on top that long. Has Pac made a 5 fight plan recently? Or has Klitsko?

[Steak]

theres nothing suspect about Chavez's record.
Mario Martinez(#3)
Ruben Castillo(#9 at Featherweight)
Roger Mayweather(#2)
Rocky Lockridge(#2)
Juan LaPorte(#3)
Edwin Rosario(#1)
Jose Luis Ramirez(#2 or 3)
Roger Mayweather II(Top 4)
Sammy Fuentes(#9)
Meldrick Taylor(#2)
John Duplessis(#9)
Angel Hernandez(#10 or higher)
Hector Camacho(#4 or higher)
Greg Haugen(#9)
Terrence Alli(#3)
Frankie Randall(#1)
Tony Lopez(#9 or higher)
Giovanni Parisi(#7)
David Kamau(#6)

Just having a lot of wins does not=you fought nothing but bums.

Baldomir having better defense than Chavez? oh boy...

[IronDanHamza]

Top 20 LW in my book and thats a hell of a deep division, his run was quality.

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, my friend.

He is a very very good lightweight though IMO.

[RubenSonny]

Mayweather is an ATG but to just ignore that stylistically his toughest fights of his career were against Chavez's lesser sparring partner is crazy.

What does JLC being his sparring partner have to do with it? JLC was bigger and stronger, Chavez at 147 simply doesn't physically impose the same problems to Floyd that JLC did.

[LAkers85]

Well, we seen what Jose Luis Castillo could do to Mayweather, imagine if that was Chavez? sorry, I see Chavez giving Mayweather a beating. as for Tito, we've seen that he cant handle pure boxers. Ill give him tito, but not Chavez.

[americanbot]

Mayweather Sr taught the style to both Jr and Roger. All three of them had similiar defensive styles. Roger and Sr both developed Jr's defense. The fact you say theres no simularity is alarmingly dumb

dude you said that jr. & roger shared similar defensive styles. i disagreed. & then you quickly changed it to similar "guards"

you're a clown.

roger was using a philly shell in your last vid....if you'd actually studied these fighters & didn't go trolling on youtube for 2 minutes you'd know that roger HARDLY ever used a philly shell. & floyds "gaurd" is extremely multi dimensional in it's self (thats a whole other debate) also anyone can throw their hands up into a philly shell. hell I've seen oscar using a philly shell before. I've seen joseph agbeko using it. you're ether trolling or EXTREMELY slow.




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[IronDanHamza]

theres nothing suspect about Chavez's record.
Mario Martinez(#3)
Ruben Castillo(#9 at Featherweight)
Roger Mayweather(#2)
Rocky Lockridge(#2)
Juan LaPorte(#3)
Edwin Rosario(#1)
Jose Luis Ramirez(#2 or 3)
Roger Mayweather II(Top 4)
Sammy Fuentes(#9)
Meldrick Taylor(#2)
John Duplessis(#9)
Angel Hernandez(#10 or higher)
Hector Camacho(#4 or higher)
Greg Haugen(#9)
Terrence Alli(#3)
Frankie Randall(#1)
Tony Lopez(#9 or higher)
Giovanni Parisi(#7)
David Kamau(#6)

Just having a lot of wins does not=you fought nothing but bums.

Baldomir having better defense than Chavez? oh boy...

Insanely, that isn't the dumbest thing he has said today...