Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Could Target Berto's Title in The Near Future

[FloydTBE]

shame he didnt want to go after it befre he signed the fight with shane

[WESS]

Well if Pac really wanted to fight Mosley he would of fought him.



Nah bro it wouldn't have work that way...Again they said no to Mosley and fought Cotto instead. But, they did not say no to Mosley to fight Clotttey instead.

People forget that after the Mayweather negotiations fail through that Schafer came out and said every GBP fighter that fights Pac will have to have OST. Which is what kill the Mayweather fight. People forget that Arum after the Floyd fight fail through reached out to GBP about a third fight with JMM and they asked for OST and Arum went with Clottey instead. Mosley was a GBP fighter at the time. The fight had to be in March. It was already January. Mosley not only would he have had to switch his whole training camp at the end but immediately and GBP was going to ask for OST which was not going to happen.

Again did he avoid Mosley for Cotto? Yes you can say he did.

Did he avoid Mayweather for Clottey? Yes you can say he did

Did he avoid Mosley for Clottey? No, only idiots who want to rewrite history believe that.

Sweet, finally you come around to reaching my intended goal of what I wanted to be presented in our "convo" without me saying it.

Pac didn't duck Mosley at the time but in fact "ducked" Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather being the guy that quit a bit of people ONLY blame for the fight not being made.

Its pretty clear that Pac walked/ducked and moved on to fight Clottey while attempting to sue Floyd/GBP as if that's a sign of wanting to make a deal. Then we have Bob who wont deal with people unless they sign with his team yet simple minded folks still want to only blame Floyd when we all know Pac/Arum didn't want the fight when the fight was to be made.

They're all talk until a contract is signed and they never signed anything stating to what they "talked" when it came to a Mayweather fight. Just like they never signed to fight Berto but now its all "talk" (again).

Just as you said....

Again did he avoid Mosley for Cotto? Yes you can say he did.

Did he avoid Mayweather for Clottey? Yes you can say he did

Did he avoid Mosley for Clottey? No, only idiots who want to rewrite history believe that.

1. Pac ducked the #1 WW and WBA Champion in Shane Mosley after beating Ricky Hatton to fight Cotto who was destroyed by Margarito and had won a "vacant" belt (something Bob is good at getting). Meaningful? Yes. For the WW title? Yes. At 147? NO. Was Cotto the #1 WW? NO.... Pac ducked the "too good" #1 WW for a Top Rank fighter with a vacated title.

2. Pac turned down a possible $50+ million to fight #5 WW nobody in Clottey who hadn't won a single fight in over 2 years let alone having a "name" value as being an excuse by Bob for Pac NOT fighting Berto/Bradley/Alexander.

3. Pac DID NOT avoid Mosley for Clottey as Pac avoided Mayweather or better put, a random drug test.

Anyway that was all.......This is just talk by Pac camp pertaining to Berto and a fight in the "near future". At the end of the day Bob has an agenda.

[jrosales13]

I think you and Wess are equally dumb.

This shows that you are only a Manny fan and not a boxing fan because this statement is ridiculous.

OK

Hype wise, Manny has a case but quality wise?
No way!

Compare to Floyd WW run there is quality for Pac to go with that hype though.

Cotto after struggling with Clottey had to defend his title at a catchweight of 145, that he won at 147?

OK, I hope you use that same logic with Floyd opponents...So we'll see if you do.

Clottey? Clottey was coming off a loss and didn't have squat to bring to the table. Atleast Baldomir, Judah, Hatton and JMM were coming off of wins, had titles and Hatton had his undefeated record.

Yea I can already see how this post is going.

The fact that Pac didn't top Floyd at WW, is an indication that only Pac fans feel he had a stronger run at 147 than Floyd because technically that is not so.

Maybe.

Who needs to fight at a catchweight, in a division against one opponent when he already fought prior at the official weight of 147? I tell you who...... Manny Pacquiao.

OK.

Maybe Cotto at 147 would have been better but not the Cotto that fought Pac. JMM and Hatton were WINNERS!

It is still a good win even at 145. Better than JMM and Hatton were.

What has Clottey done that makes him a better win than Hatton and JMM?

Are you speaking WW or P4P wise? At WW Clottey has done more than both Hatton and JMM put together.

Floyd became the top dog at WW 2X and Pac "0". If your statement were true, than Pacquiao would be over Floyd at WW.

Maybe, but not necessary.

This is just your opinion and not fact. Case Closed.

Grus, what is my opinion? Do you even know? When did I even mention Pac had a stronger WW run? I actually edge Floyd cuz' of the Mosley win TBH. That win puts him over the top. But, before that win I edged Pac. It is close. And, if Pac fights Berto and KO him I would consider both equal with their WW run.

Before the Shane fight Floyd WW run was pretty weak. The Shane fight made it better but is nothing like wow.....And, no knock on Floyd is not his natural weight-class. Same token Pac run at WW has been blah... But, they're not that far apart of each other.

My point was that you gave Floyd tons of credit for Baldomir and Judah but Pac win over Cotto is better win than those 2. But, what gives Floyd the edge is the Mosley win.

[GRUSTLER]

Grus, what is my opinion? Do you even know? When did I even mention Pac had a stronger WW run? I actually edge Floyd cuz' of the Mosley win TBH. That win puts him over the top. But, before that win I edged Pac. It is close. And, if Pac fights Berto and KO him I would consider both equal with their WW run.

Before the Shane fight Floyd WW run was pretty weak. The Shane fight made it better but is nothing like wow.....And, no knock on Floyd is not his natural weight-class. Same token Pac run at WW has been blah... But, they're not that far apart of each other.

My point was that you gave Floyd tons of credit for Baldomir and Judah but Pac win over Cotto is better win than those 2. But, what gives Floyd the edge is the Mosley win.

Says who? Baldomir was the Lineal Champion, who beat Judah who was the Undisputed WW Champion and Floyd beat them both. Cotto was coming off of a win over Michael Jennings for Paul Williams vacant strap, in which Pac fought Cotto for it at 145. How is that Cotto win better than wins over the former undisputed champ (Zab Judah) and the man that beat him(Baldomir)?. Then Floyd went on to beat the top WW at the time (Shane Mosley) while Pac fought around him. Pac was fighting at 147 but didn't fight the #1 guy in the division? What part of the game is that? Anyone that thinks Pac's run at WW is better than Floyds, when Manny didn't even become the Lineal champion or fight the #1 guy there is bugging. Lets put it like this. If Manny Pacquiao had a better crop of opponents at 147, then Pac would have atleast had the #1 slot at WW but he didn't. Your talking opinions and I'm talking facts. If Cotto and Clottey were that good of opponents they would have put Pac on top but that wasn't the case.

[jrosales13]

Says who? Baldomir was the Lineal Champion, who beat Judah who was the Undisputed WW Champion and Floyd beat them both. Cotto was coming off of a win over Michael Jennings for Paul Williams vacant strap, in which Pac fought Cotto for it at 145. How is that Cotto win better than wins over the former undisputed champ (Zab Judah) and the man that beat him(Baldomir)?. Then Floyd went on to beat the top WW at the time (Shane Mosley) while Pac fought around him. Pac was fighting at 147 but didn't fight the #1 guy in the division? What part of the game is that? Anyone that thinks Pac's run at WW is better than Floyds, when Manny didn't even become the Lineal champion or fight the #1 guy there is bugging. Lets put it like this. If Manny Pacquiao had a better crop of opponents at 147, then Pac would have atleast had the #1 slot at WW but he didn't. Your talking opinions and I'm talking facts. If Cotto and Clottey were that good of opponents they would have put Pac on top but that wasn't the case.

Bro, lineal titles does not=best in the division.

Just because one hasn't won a lineal title doesn't mean he's not better than the guy that did.

[GRUSTLER]

Bro, lineal titles does not=best in the division.

Just because one hasn't won a lineal title doesn't mean he's not better than the guy that did.

So now your saying being a champion of the division doesn't mean anything?

[jrosales13]

So now your saying being a champion of the division doesn't mean anything?

Sure, if that is what you got out of it so be it. No problem.

[Gino Ros]

Pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao, in a letter to World Boxing Council president Don Jose Sulaiman, has said he looks forward to regaining the WBC welterweight title or even a WBC belt at a lighter weight. The WBC title is currently held by unbeaten Andre Berto at 147-pounds. Pacquiao has the WBO's version around his waist.


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Hmmm, interesting.

I wonder what belt Floyd is fighting for.

[Boy Abunda]

Now that Berto lost to Ortiz, is good idea for Manny to fight Berto next. Is good fight, Berto big and strong like bull.