Mayweather was born with a gift, did Manny developed his with Roach?

[Termite]

floyd is also gifted with a 95 percent feminine quality.

[studentofthegam]

Pacquiao fights nothing like Roach. And Floyd was taught the shoulder roll by his father.

True. Is that all? It just seems like he would pick up more of their styles considering they were both really good boxers. Roach was not so why would he emulate that.

Pacquiao has a far better offense, Floyd has a far better defense. Both have incredible speed, accuracy and reflexes. Floyd does have better ring intelligence but that doesn't mean he's better overall. And Pacquiao's game plans in his last few fights have been spot on.

Are you serious? You just said they both have the same skills but Floyd is smarter in the ring right? Wouldnt that make him better? YYYeeeaaaah. Whatever you say friend.

[ThePunchingBag]

Manny is more naturally gifted IMO.

He didn't have the benefit of growing up in a boxing family.

Floyd got schooled in boxing technique for close to 17 years before he went professional.

I thought the reason *****'s liked Floyd was because he was a master technician.

Floyd learned his technique at a young age and refined it during his professional career.

Given Floyd's background and life story, most people EXPECTED Mayweather to become a World Champ at some point in time.

If someone told you a poor half-starved Filipino kid selling old cigarettes and cheap bubblegum on the streets would one day be the most decorated fighter of All-Time... Would you believe it?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Manny is more naturally gifted IMO.

He didn't have the benefit of growing up in a boxing family.

Floyd got schooled in boxing technique for close to 17 years before he went professional.

I thought the reason *****'s liked Floyd was because he was a master technician.

Floyd learned his technique at a young age and refined it during his professional career.

Given Floyd's background and life story, most people EXPECTED Mayweather to become a World Champ at some point in time.

If someone told you a poor half-starved Filipino kid selling old cigarettes and cheap bubblegum on the streets would one day be the most decorated fighter of All-Time... Would you believe it?

Excellent points to support your argument, my friend. For what it's worth, you've convinced me. lol

[studentofthegam]

Manny is more naturally gifted IMO.

He didn't have the benefit of growing up in a boxing family.

Floyd got schooled in boxing technique for close to 17 years before he went professional.

I thought the reason *****'s liked Floyd was because he was a master technician.

Floyd learned his technique at a young age and refined it during his professional career.

Given Floyd's background and life story, most people EXPECTED Mayweather to become a World Champ at some point in time.

If someone told you a poor half-starved Filipino kid selling old cigarettes and cheap bubblegum on the streets would one day be the most decorated fighter of All-Time... Would you believe it?

You cant try and turn Mayweather's life into a silver spoon story. I would venture to say that most past champions come from poor, humble beginings. So yeah thats not far fetched to say this poor kid may be a boxing champ.

[jimburi]

So you think if you took someone entirely identical to Floyd he would have been nearly the same if he grew in an accountant family ?

[PandaKilla]

Lol boxing IQ is not just a gift, you have to train and learn it, but how well you use it when it counts is what matters, and that is where Mayweather is great, but remember he is athleticay gifted to do it, great a lot of things suh as reflexes and balance to speed and long arms. Without his body, he wouldn't be this far.

Like a F1 driver, tennis player etc... They train from a young age, and who trains you matters. They go kart at 5 etc...

So Mayweather having a dad and uncle who boxed at quite a high level = very valuable. Maybe now he can do well without his Uncle, but they built him.

Manny started at an older age and started back when there were only a few Filipino boxers that actually made a name for themselves. So in this case, he hasn't had the background of good trainers early on.

Manny without Roach is not going to be a success. The wilcard gym offers good sparring, Roach was trained by a very good trainer and it's like anything, knowledge is power.

Manny isn't the most technical, he has a certain style, and is aggressive, but he does have boxing IQ. To fight the way he does and get hit not that much, you need to have some IQ. It's like a F1 car driver hittig 200MPH and then a tight corner at high speed, if you carry on the edge, wheels lock up and skid sometimes or even a crash just to try and get fast laps.

So yes like in many sports, who knows if there's actually who didn't even start a sport, try it or get the opportunity to learn correctly that could have been one of the best, or even, they are playing something else.

[Dave Rado]

True. Is that all? It just seems like he would pick up more of their styles considering they were both really good boxers. Roach was not so why would he emulate that.

Their styles were not right for Floyd, so why on earth would he emulate them? And they were quite good, they were far from great.

My father was a better singer than me but I don't emulate his singing style when I sing, I sing in my own style. Just because someone develops their own style doesn't make them great. All the voice training in the world won't make me a great singer, but I still developed my own style.

Are you serious? You just said they both have the same skills but Floyd is smarter in the ring right? Wouldnt that make him better? YYYeeeaaaah. Whatever you say friend.

I did not say they have the same skills. They have very different skills indeed - in fact they couldn't possibly be more different. They're like might and day. Which is what makes a match-up so intriguing: but unfortunately, Floyd doesn't want to risk his "0". Unless that changes, no one will ever know who is the better fighter.

[Dave Rado]

Manny without Roach is not going to be a success.

Manny without Roach was a 2-division world champion at the age of 23, which given his background as a half-starved street urchin, is one of the most remarkable achievements in boxing history.

[straightleft]

To the TS, well it is a complete opposite. Pac was born with a gift (speed, power and will powered by hunger) while Floyd developed his skills through the years of training with the help of his father and uncle. Floyd being an American even if he raised from a poor family in this country nothings compares to Pac hardship when he was a young boy from the poorest part in the Philippines. His father left their family when they were just a kids. They went through all kinds of hardship like eating just once a day. If Floyd started as pro when he was 16 year old from a poor family from US without the help of his father and uncle. I don't think he can get the success what Pac had before Roach came to his side. Pac was one of youngest champion in boxing (19 year old) in the world (Benitez at 17) and no doubt the youngest lineal champion in the world.