What is Haye's career defining moment in boxing?

[nomadman]

What is Wlad's career defining moment in boxing?

A) Getting Ko'd by the Golfing Journeyman Sanders
B)Getting beat batty by Brewster
c) Getting perforated by Purrity

Again, it depends on what you mean by career-defining. His biggest crossroads fight was probably the first bout against Peter. If he'd've lost that one I doubt we would be hearing about him today. In terms of top performances against world-class opposition I'd say both the Byrd fights, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Mercer and Brewster II. People don't seem to realise or appreciate just what a good fighter Byrd was, nor how difficult it was to land on him flush, let alone KO him. Ibeabuchi was the only other man who ever managed it at HW, and people talk about him like he was a god. The Mercer fight too is highly underrated as a performance. Mercer was a little past prime, but the beating he sustained in that fight was unlike anything I'd seen in recent HW memory. Just brutal. The Chagaev and Ibragimov fights may have been boring, but in terms of boxing performances they were both almost literally flawless. Although you could consider the Sanders and Brewster losses to be career defining, in that they totally altered Wlad's style to the safety first, incredibly hard to beat, fighter of today.

[cklmaced]

Sure thing.

Byrd: Outstanding amateur. Olympic Silver Medallist. Beat Holyfield, Vitali and Tua. Former WBO and IBF world champion. Beaten by Wlad twice.

Chagaev: Another outstanding amateur. Beat Felix Savon twice. First man to beat Valuev for WBA title. Beat Ruiz. Undefeated at time Wlad faced him.

Ibragimov: Olympic Silver Medallist. Beat Holyfield and Briggs. Former WBO world champion. Undefeated at time Wlad faced him.

Peter: Beat Toney twice. Beat Oleg. Former WBC world champion.

Chambers: Beat Peter, Dimitrenko and Brock. Nuff said.

I'd carry on, but those five wins alone eclipse Haye's entire run at heavyweight to date. Also, I'm starting to sound worryingly like Wlad Owns.

Wow you contradict yourself so much in your points is laughable for Chagaev Haye has done all those things bar Savon

You laugh at Haye beating an Olympic champion yet use a silver medalist as one of your points. My brother was at that fight and said it was the worst fight he had every seen so bad that chants of "Duddy" broke out and are clearly audiable on TV during the Wlad main event because his fight was on the undercard a main reason why MSG sold out that night by the way.

Chambers beat nobodies Peter beating Toney isnt that good of a point either who was a spent force by the time he fought Peter

[flat1985]

When Haye ****d the TS mum on ppv that was so cool.

[nomadman]

I'm sorry but you're bleating on about good amateurs, and Olympic silver medalists.

Audley won the GOLD.

You'll notice I didn't just list their amateur achievements, else I would have mentioned Paea Wolfgramm as well. It was just something to bolster their achievements in the pros, of which Audley has none.

[nomadman]

Wow you contradict yourself so much in your points is laughable for Chagaev Haye has done all those things bar Savon

So? I wasn't comparing Chagaev to Haye, I was comparing him as an opponent to Haye's opponents.

You laugh at Haye beating an Olympic champion yet use a silver medalist as one of your points. My brother was at that fight and said it was the worst fight he had every seen so bad that chants of "Duddy" broke out and are clearly audiable on TV during the Wlad main event because his fight was on the undercard a main reason why MSG sold out that night by the way.

Audley's a special case. Generally when a fighter does excellently as an amateur they do well as a pro, or at least don't suck anywhere near as badly as Audley has. None of the Silver Medallists I mentioned imploded in the same way that Audley did, and all have decent wins in the pros as well as being former world champions. All of which I mentioned.

Chambers beat nobodies Peter beating Toney isnt that good of a point either who was a spent force by the time he fought Peter

Chambers has one of the better resumes of any active heavyweight today (barring Holyfield and the Klits of course). Unless you count Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies. As for Peter's win over Toney, well, if you're gonna use the spent force angle then all of Haye's wins get invalidated, no?

[WladIsTheChamp]

Wow you contradict yourself so much in your points is laughable for Chagaev Haye has done all those things bar Savon

You laugh at Haye beating an Olympic champion yet use a silver medalist as one of your points. My brother was at that fight and said it was the worst fight he had every seen so bad that chants of "Duddy" broke out and are clearly audiable on TV during the Wlad main event because his fight was on the undercard a main reason why MSG sold out that night by the way.
Chambers beat nobodies Peter beating Toney isnt that good of a point either who was a spent force by the time he fought Peter

This fight wasn't any worse than the Valuev stinkfest or the Audley fake fight, where the Brits booed their own contryman, and that was recent, the Ibragimov fights was years ago.

[Steak]

his win over John Ruiz was the best.

[cklmaced]

So? I wasn't comparing Chagaev to Haye, I was comparing him as an opponent to Haye's opponents.



Audley's a special case. Generally when a fighter does excellently as an amateur they do well as a pro, or at least don't suck anywhere near as badly as Audley has. None of the Silver Medallists I mentioned imploded in the same way that Audley did, and all have decent wins in the pros as well as being former world champions. All of which I mentioned.

He broke his hand in the Valeuv fight so that would be a reason and Haye said in the interview after the fight that he bet on himself to win in the 3rd round vs Harrison what excuse does Wlad have?

Chambers has one of the better resumes of any active heavyweight today (barring Holyfield and the Klits of course). Unless you count Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies. As for Peter's win over Toney, well, if you're gonna use the spent force angle then all of Haye's wins get invalidated, no?

Well yes I do consider Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies unless you beat an elite fighter you aren't considered a great. Haye can be considered possibly the best CW of all time so that's his legacy Wlad cant exactly say the same thing at the HW division now can he.

[nomadman]

Well yes I do consider Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies unless you beat an elite fighter you aren't considered a great. Haye can be considered possibly the best CW of all time so that's his legacy Wlad cant exactly say the same thing at the HW division now can he.

Care to qualify that?

[WladIsTheChamp]

Well yes I do consider Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies unless you beat an elite fighter you aren't considered a great. Haye can be considered possibly the best CW of all time so that's his legacy Wlad cant exactly say the same thing at the HW division now can he.

LOL.... what did he do to deserve this this has got to be the ******est post I have ever read about Haye. He defended his titles ONCE at CW. How is that great? He beat TWO cw champs, one was Enzo and the other was old shop-worn Mormeck. That in your book warrants him being the best of all time? LOL

Gomez has a CW legacy 10 times better than this.