Comments Thread For: Arum: Marquez's Demands Offended Pacquiao, Killed Fight

[I_like_wendys]

Marquez is fraud....

1.fighting Katsidis who was KO by Casamayor and beaten by Diaz...Both Casa and Diaz was beaten by Marquez and still Marquez fought the loser, one dimensional and bum Katsidis.
What did Marquez gained fighting Katsidis????NOTHING!!!!!!!!
2.fighting Diaz who has 5 loses on his last 6 fights(beaten and battered by Campbell, and toyed by Malignaggi).
3.next fight will be against faded and shot Morales at 135 instead of Soto. What will Marquez gain in fighting Morales(KO twice by Pacman) on his next fight to be worthy challenger against Pacman...

if Marquez is seroiusly wants to get a fight with Pacman he should move up in weight and should be in the mix fight with khan, devon, bradley, maidana, berto and even Mosley to be worthy challenger against Pacman...Those fighters are fighting each other to have a chance to fight Pacman while Marquez is feasting on bum, and faded fighters in lower weight to get a fight with Pacman...He even price himself out with unrealistic demand against Pacman.... This was the 2nd time he did this...The 1st rematch was Marquez price himself out by turning down 750K dollars fight with Pacman and choosing 30k dollars fight with Chris John in Indonesia...And now he has a unrealistic demand to price himself out of Pacman fight instead will fight Morales or any bums, loser and faded fighter at 135 for less than a million...Marquez wants more than what he received when he fought Floyd...Come on!!!!!His lost against Floyd was dominant where he didn't win any round or never a threat for 12 complete round, even Floyd scored a knockdown,wants more against Pacman...Marquez didn't prove himself that he is worthy challenger at higher weight...He's a joke at higher weight...Even Malignaggi will KO him in first round....

1. Shane was dominant for 6 minutes in his fight with Floyd. And by Round 11 looked like he was in danger of being STOPPED.

2. The Sport's called Boxing, not Knockdowns. Marquez lost a UD to Floyd. So did Shane. Neither guy had the wherewithal to beat Floyd in the one match both guys had with him.

3. Last time I checked, Soto didn't bloody up Rafael over 7 rounds or so, then call out JMM while he was crying at ringside watching his brother get attended to by EMTs.
Manny's just as guilty of not fighting Soto (if not moreso) as JMM when he had the chance, so why bring that up?

4. Your pretty much harping on JMM for being a dominant champ at 135. First Fighter ever to Stop Casamayor, First fighter ever to Stop Juan Diaz (after the Nate Campbell lucky cut fight, but BEFORE the Malignaggi duels) More than likely retired Diaz, beat Michael Katsidis when he was coming off a four fight win streak. He didn't fight Soto. but again, Soto never bloodied up his brother, unlike certain #1 ranked Pound for Pound fighters I know.

He took the Chris John fight to beat a undefeated fighter and to prove he deserved as big a cut as Pac in the 2nd fight. Didn't work out for him, but then he finally took the 2nd fight with Pac anyway. And got dropped at the end of Round 3, after Knocking Pac ****** on his feet at the end of round 2, and busting Pac's eye open in the 9th.

Fighting Morales at this stage is completely unacceptable for JMM. I'll agree with you there.

Malignaggi. Right.

[hitking]

In the United States of America, you are innocent until proven guilty, not when a crackhead pulls **** out of his ass and calls it gold! Anybody who takes a crackhead and women beaters word as 'fact' is as dumb as George W. Bush....

I've actually drawn my own conclusions and they have little to nothing to do with anything in the Mayweather camp says. And in the USA, a refused test is a positive one. People who don't use illegal drugs don't care when, how, and how many times they're tested. And Pac and his team's stances on why they don't want the tests and the constant insistance on a window where the deterrant is eliminated has made me conclude that something suspect is going on.

[I_like_wendys]

Marquez is fraud....

1.fighting Katsidis who was KO by Casamayor and beaten by Diaz...Both Casa and Diaz was beaten by Marquez and still Marquez fought the loser, one dimensional and bum Katsidis.
What did Marquez gained fighting Katsidis????NOTHING!!!!!!!!
2.fighting Diaz who has 5 loses on his last 6 fights(beaten and battered by Campbell, and toyed by Malignaggi).
3.next fight will be against faded and shot Morales at 135 instead of Soto. What will Marquez gain in fighting Morales(KO twice by Pacman) on his next fight to be worthy challenger against Pacman...

if Marquez is seroiusly wants to get a fight with Pacman he should move up in weight and should be in the mix fight with khan, devon, bradley, maidana, berto and even Mosley to be worthy challenger against Pacman...Those fighters are fighting each other to have a chance to fight Pacman while Marquez is feasting on bum, and faded fighters in lower weight to get a fight with Pacman...He even price himself out with unrealistic demand against Pacman.... This was the 2nd time he did this...The 1st rematch was Marquez price himself out by turning down 750K dollars fight with Pacman and choosing 30k dollars fight with Chris John in Indonesia...And now he has a unrealistic demand to price himself out of Pacman fight instead will fight Morales or any bums, loser and faded fighter at 135 for less than a million...Marquez wants more than what he received when he fought Floyd...Come on!!!!!His lost against Floyd was dominant where he didn't win any round or never a threat for 12 complete round, even Floyd scored a knockdown,wants more against Pacman...Marquez didn't prove himself that he is worthy challenger at higher weight...He's a joke at higher weight...Even Malignaggi will KO him in first round....

1. Shane was dominant for 6 minutes in his fight with Floyd. And by Round 11 looked like he was in danger of being STOPPED.

2. The Sport's called Boxing, not Knockdowns. Marquez lost a UD to Floyd. So did Shane. Neither guy had the wherewithal to beat Floyd in the one match both guys had with him.

3. Last time I checked, Soto didn't bloody up Rafael over 7 rounds or so, then call out JMM while he was crying at ringside watching his brother get attended to by EMTs.
Manny's just as guilty of not fighting Soto (if not moreso) as JMM when he had the chance, so why bring that up?

4. Your pretty much harping on JMM for being a dominant champ at 135. First Fighter ever to Stop Casamayor, First fighter ever to Stop Juan Diaz (after the Nate Campbell lucky cut fight, but BEFORE the Malignaggi duels) More than likely retired Diaz, beat Michael Katsidis when he was coming off a four fight win streak. He didn't fight Soto. but again, Soto never bloodied up his brother, unlike certain #1 ranked Pound for Pound fighters I know.

He took the Chris John fight to beat a undefeated fighter and to prove he deserved as big a cut as Pac in the 2nd fight. Didn't work out for him, but then he finally took the 2nd fight with Pac anyway. And got dropped at the end of Round 3, after Knocking Pac ****** on his feet at the end of round 2, and busting Pac's eye open in the 9th.

Fighting Morales at this stage is completely unacceptable for JMM. I'll agree with you there.

Malignaggi. Right.

[Frank Ducketts]

Frank, prove that it is a lie or shut the fk up. Who cares about the first negotiations? Mayweather is not the comission. And where is the racist woman beater gangsta wannabe hanging out? Floyd was so interested in the fight he "is not thinking about boxing". So how the hell does "not thinking about boxing" show interest in the fight???

I believe Pac, and his fans about the second negotiations, it's just that they didn't negotiate with Floyd or uncle Roger lol... What happened during the FIRST negotiation though lol... What was wrong then?

[sapaw]

Like I've said previously, USADA testing is no excuse to not make a fight. If Pac is clean, he should be willing to be tested whenever, how ever, and however many times.

As far as JMM's demands, its called negotiating buddy. Who in the hell shows their hand right off the bat? If Arum had come out and said, "We offered a counter proposal and we were too far apart to proceed", I'd have no issue with that and would be on the side fo JMM pricing hismelf outta the fight. But to not even try and negotiate shows that they had no honest intentions of making the fight from jump.

the question is, Marquez really want to negotiate? The first proposal he gave was absurd and then followed by another absurd proposal? If you are serious about a proposal, it should be realistic especially if you are talking millions of $$$. Shane knows have no leverage to dictate on terms which Marquez failed to do. If Marquez gave reasonable proposal, then I'm with you. I also want a trilogy of this.

question to you.. on both Marquez proposal, any of those are reasonable? 10m++ or 50/50 is reasonable proposal?

in business aspect, if someone gave absurd proposal and others gave reasonable proposals, which would you entertain?

[Frank Ducketts]

So nobody knows how much PAc and JMM made in fight 1?

[hitking]

the question is, Marquez really want to negotiate? The first proposal he gave was absurd and then followed by another absurd proposal? If you are serious about a proposal, it should be realistic especially if you are talking millions of $$$. Shane knows have no leverage to dictate on terms which Marquez failed to do. If Marquez gave reasonable proposal, then I'm with you. I also want a trilogy of this.

question to you.. on both Marquez proposal, any of those are reasonable? 10m++ or 50/50 is reasonable proposal?

in business aspect, if someone gave absurd proposal and others gave reasonable proposals, which would you entertain?

I think where you and I are bumping heads is that you seem to believe what Smokescreen Bob is saying and I believe that he's full of ****. Because I remember on this site him saying something to the nature that JMM proposed the same deal he got with Mayweather. Then, Pac made his statement about no one wanting to see another fight with he and JMM. And then, Arum all of a sudden came with he wanted double what he got with Money. So Arum is kinda talking outta both sides of his ass, as usual. Either way, Im taking issue with there being no negotiations. If you remember at the end of last year, Mayweather was the first to agree to the terms for a March fight with Pac. But, he agreed to terms that included USADA testing. Arum took that to Pac and Pac said it was unacceptable. That's when NEGOTIATIONS began. If you legitimately want a fight, you don't look at an initial proposal and walk from the table without any discussions. I'm not sure why Pac doesn't want JMM, or if he legitimayely does and just doing what Arum tells him. But I do know this Mosley deal has been in place since before he Cotto fight even began. So that leads me to believe that they really had no intentions on fighting JMM this time around.

[mr_kamado10]

Why would he accept a sh@t offer Marquez hasn't lost since he fought Mayweather and was in fight of the year in 2009 and this year his fight is consider to be another fight of the year with Katsidis. But yet u give the fight to Mosely who hasn't won in TWO YEARS got beat down by Mayweather and got his ass handed to by SERGIO FREAKIN MORA a nobody. Yet he is getting 5 to 7 million the same amount Marquez wanted. And don't say he won't draw any fans that fight would take place close to cinco de mayo tons of Mexican and Latino fans would come out to see that fight it would've been epic. All the Mexicans I know and thats a lot would have bought that fight FOR SURE!!!! They ain't buying this garbage Mosely fight because its a mockery of the sport. All these *******s need to get off Pacduckiao's **** and open their eyes that their god is a fraud and will always be remembered as a fraud.

fyi

Marquez earned 5 million, PPV not yet included, against Floyd...Marquez wants double of what he earned against Floyd, that is 10 million plus 2million possibly he will earn in PPV...The total will be 12 million earning For Marquez as against 7 million earning for Mosley for Pacman fight...Mosley performed better by almost KO Floyd twice while Marquez did nothing or never a threat in 12 complete round against Floyd..Floyd even scored a knockdown against Marquez..Marquez is NO GOOD at higher weight and should not demand higher..and Marquez wants more what he earned against Floyd...that pricing himself out and will possibly fight faded and shot Morales for less than a million....He also pricing himself out when he turned down 750k for a rematch fight against Pacman and opted to fight Chris John for a measly 30k and it was held in Indonesia...

[sapaw]

I think where you and I are bumping heads is that you seem to believe what Smokescreen Bob is saying and I believe that he's full of ****. Because I remember on this site him saying something to the nature that JMM proposed the same deal he got with Mayweather. Then, Pac made his statement about no one wanting to see another fight with he and JMM. And then, Arum all of a sudden came with he wanted double what he got with Money. So Arum is kinda talking outta both sides of his ass, as usual. Either way, Im taking issue with there being no negotiations. If you remember at the end of last year, Mayweather was the first to agree to the terms for a March fight with Pac. But, he agreed to terms that included USADA testing. Arum took that to Pac and Pac said it was unacceptable. That's when NEGOTIATIONS began. If you legitimately want a fight, you don't look at an initial proposal and walk from the table without any discussions. I'm not sure why Pac doesn't want JMM, or if he legitimayely does and just doing what Arum tells him. But I do know this Mosley deal has been in place since before he Cotto fight even began. So that leads me to believe that they really had no intentions on fighting JMM this time around.

Pac-Floyd will be long story again coz more *****s and *******s will jump in, lets stay on the topic.

I will ask you again this time assuming Arum telling the truth... on both Marquez proposal, any of those are reasonable? 10m++ or 50/50 is reasonable proposal? if someone gave absurd proposal and others gave reasonable proposals, which would you entertain?

[LeadUppercut]

Dan Rafael making some sense for a change:

Thanks dnut.