Comments Thread For: Arum: Marquez's Demands Offended Pacquiao, Killed Fight

[fcastro1]

Who's to say after legitimate negotiating, JMM wouldn't be getting what he got against Mayweather? Also, Pac's not as big a draw as Mayweather. So in JMM's defense, he's not up against the same caliber of star he was with Money. So he might think he's entitled to a little more. Butl ike I said, if they would have realisticly wanted this fight to happen, I'm sure JMM would have come off the initial offer.

Why play hardball when you have no leverage. Pac can make millions against anyone. Marquez fault for overpricing himself. He needs to understand that their are fighters that are bigger draws than him where pac can make more money.

[hitking]

this is the reason dude. This was made years ago so it cant be disputed that he has issues about tests close to the fight.

This was an excuse for an ass kicking. They also said the reason for losing was because he was forced to use Winning gloves. Actually, the glove issue was much bigger than the blood issue back then. I believe Roach also said Pac wore bad socks, although that may have been the excuse given after the first JMM fight. Not fully sure. Its nothing scientific to back up Pac's claim. Matter of fact, all the expects have come out and said the amount of blood drawn can be replaced by a eating a sugar cookie. So I'm not buying this horse**** my friend.

[hitking]

Why play hardball when you have no leverage. Pac can make millions against anyone. Marquez fault for overpricing himself. He needs to understand that their are fighters that are bigger draws than him where pac can make more money.

Making an initial offer isn't playing hardball buddy. Its called negotiating. No negotiations took place because Arum claims Pac was "so offended", they walked after the first proposal.

[fcastro1]

This was an excuse for an ass kicking. They also said the reason for losing was because he was forced to use Winning gloves. Actually, the glove issue was much bigger than the blood issue back then. I believe Roach also said Pac wore bad socks, although that may have been the excuse given after the first JMM fight. Not fully sure. Its nothing scientific to back up Pac's claim. Matter of fact, all the expects have come out and said the amount of blood drawn can be replaced by a eating a sugar cookie. So I'm not buying this horse**** my friend.

you dont have to buy it be but it still exists. This shows us pac isnt lying about his side of the story. It actually happened. Now where is floyds evidence to prove that osts should be implemented.

[Lorily]

some of you think the majority of ppl who buys these ppvs are all diehard boxing fans like us. JMM last major ppv where he was seen by the whole world was a one-sided LOSS to floyd. while mosley has been on major ppvs since the 90s w/ oscar. so for jmm to ask for an unreasonable amount is a ****** move.

Come on Twako... You're sounding a bit like Bob Arum here TBH (no offense). The same casual fan that saw JMM lose a one-sided fight to FMJ also saw Shane Moselys last two unimpressive PPV fights. You can't ignore that truth and expect people to only remember JMM losing to Floyd two divisions above his normal fighting weight.

Bob likes to put out half-truths that benefit his way of thinking and then sells it like it's Gospel. Unlike Shane, JMM has gone on to prove his worth AFTER losing to Floyd - where as Shane has not. Not only did Shane also lose a lop-sided fight to FMJ, he went on to have a lack luster, gassed out, clinch fest performance against Sergio Mora. Shanes last two PPV fights were horrible wereas JMM last few fights were very impressive and competitive fights. JMM was winning fights BEFORE Floyd Jr and AFTER the Floyd Jr. fight.

Bob Arum is simply trying to convince the world that Shane Mosely is the biggest PPV sell by under exagerrating JMM selling power. Atleast Manny and Juan Manuel have a past history - a history that some question and want answers for. Does anyone really expect a Pac - Mosley fight to be all that competitive? I see Shane chasing Pac for the first couple of rounds trying to knock his block off. When that doesn't happen after the first 3 rounds, he'll spend the rest of the night doing a Clottey and just trying to prove that he still can't be knocked out. Besides that... they are going to be WAAYYY to friendly, and friendly makes for boring fights. I'd rather see Pac and JMM with anamosity and trying to really prove who is better, rather than Pac and Mosely smiling at each other and tapping their gloves before and after each round like their sparring partners or something.

Bob Arum: "Pacquiao fighting JMM on CINCO DE MAYO, an exciting trilogy with animosity and both men having something to prove? Naaaah, people won't buy that, lets go with Shane Mosely because people looovvee to see him lose and he's never been knocked out. Now people WILL pay for that."

WTF Bob ??????? You're in danger of turning hard core fans in to casual fans (where you are concerned). Damn, it's supposed to be the other way around Backwards Bob. You're supposed to turn casual fans in to hardcore fans... this sure as **** ain't the way to do it! Just my opinion

[Team Vitaminas]

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[fcastro1]

Making an initial offer isn't playing hardball buddy. Its called negotiating. No negotiations took place because Arum claims Pac was "so offended", they walked after the first proposal.

they dont have any leverage to propose an offer. Surely if you are not the draw you wait for their offer before a counter offer.

[hitking]

you dont have to buy it be but it still exists. This shows us pac isnt lying about his side of the story. It actually happened. Now where is floyds evidence to prove that osts should be implemented.

We don't run in boxing circles buddy. All we get is second hand information from writers that have agendas themselves. So we know know what is known about what Pac is doing in his circle of colleagues. All I know is that Mayweather isn't the only fighter that has come out and said he thinks Pac may be dirty. Off the top of my head, Berto, Cintron, and Malignaggi have publically questioned Pac's illegal PED use. And for me, the evidence is that Pac and his crew have fought so hard against the testing. They first didn't want to do the testing period. And they took enough public heat that they have agreed to test, but they still contend that they need a window where the deterrant is eliminated. That's what makes me think he's suspect. Because anywhere else in this country, a refused test is a positive one. If you don't think so, the next time your employer ask you to take a random drug test, take Pac's stance. I promise you you'll be terminated on site.

[hitking]

they dont have any leverage to propose an offer. Surely if you are not the draw you wait for their offer before a counter offer.

Pacquaio's not "the draw" with Mayweather. Money's PPV numbers are consistantly better. So what gives Pac the right to propose or refuse anything with Money? According to your logic, if Pac really wanted the Mayweather fight, he'd accept whatever Money wants just in order to get it on.

[Left Hook Tua]

No Arum. You steered pac to Mosley because you have a cut on both sides and would promote shane to fight cotto and margarito afterwards (should shane win) ... so more potential big money fights for TR.

Its clear as day.
Marquez fight is bigger historically and financially.
Damn, arum is one slick businessman.

actually , even if shane losses , arum has rights to him for shane's next fight i think.

even if shane losses to pacquiao , arum can still make a marg-mosley or mosley-cotto rematch.