Comments Thread For: Roach: I Never Said I Want Doping Tests on Mosley!

[PrinceCharlez]

The deal is nearly done. All signs are pointing to Shane Mosley as being announced as the next opponent for eight-division champion Manny Pacquiao in an HBO pay-per-view televised clash on May 7 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

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So pac refused to take testing twice....ummm I guess floyd was right..

[mrjoeblive]

Part of the article of what the author said goes like this, "Moseley subjected himself to random drug testing as a condition of his fight with Mayweather Jr. in May. But has twice refused to undergo random drug testing during the negotiations with Mayweather,..." This is bull****, actually Olympic Style drug testing is an amateur way and this is professional boxing but still Manny's camp entertain it just hoping not to ruin the possible megafight..It's misleading, Lem Satterfield tried to convince & imply to the fans that Pacquiao refused of random drug testing in that is a lie & misleading...Lem Satterfield doesn't emphasize what really the situation and is trying to ride w/ this kind of black propaganda against Pacquiao...Pacquiao agrees with the testing but with specific number of days near the fight but not what the author tried to tell us...Both camps have disagreement about the number of specific days near the fight...And with the 2nd negotiation Pacquiao actually agrees of what ever conditions of drug testing being place before him, but Mayweather hide himself without a response...But one more thing, later Mayweather camp responded that no negotiations ever happened even HBO President has confirmed there was one so how could Pacquiao refuse if such negotiation never exist according to the Mayweather camp...Please Lem Satterfield stop this bull**** of black propaganda against Pacquiao you're a clear instrument of the Mayweathers...

just one question, when has HBO EVER negotiated for floyd? when? give one fight when hbo handled floyds comm. this to me is the proof that there were no "talks" about floyd vs pac. the first and only negotiation pac shot down by asking for stipulations which were agreed to. and refusing to accomadate floyds request. also arum openly said pac would fight tony and when *****s pointed this was arums quest all along, *******s said pac vs tony would never happen and called the *****s conspiracy theorist. well we know what happened pac fought a man who didnt deserve a title fight and won a tainted 8th title. he didnt fight the men that earned the fight he fought the easy stablemate fight. just like arum said. same with clottey. same ol same ol.

[mrjoeblive]

So pac refused to take testing twice....ummm I guess floyd was right..

oh man prince, that 50 prior to pacs catch wt then 50 after is just wrong. but very very very funny. i cant stop laughing.

[BoZz]

Roach, you are a liar and a hypocrite!! Someone finally has the balls, not to look the other way, but call you out on the **** you've been spewing since your charge's su****ious rise to the top of the boxing echelons ...lol.

good post.

[mrjoeblive]

This is a timeline of excuses regarding drug testing from TEAM PACQUIAO beginning after the Cotto fight at the end of 2009

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. [/

wow cash cow, this is good stuff. and its not your opinion you are stating its actual statements made by top rank. this cant be debated by a rational person. and all should be able to see the attempt to avoid blood test at all cost. of course HGH is detected by blood test. there is a test for everything. good job cash cow.

[mrjoeblive]

They are getting properly tested, their just not getting what that crack head floyd sr. thinks is proper testing. But then again, who takes medical advise from a crack head anyway? I'll stick with the NFL, NBA, NHL, MMA, and MLB. Urine testing seems to be working just fine for them. Looking at it from ur point of view though I think you'll have to excuse me since I don't smoke crack, I seem to have this nasty habit of using my brain. My bad bro.

i disagree doggie. you cite the mlb as proof that urine test are "just fine" is just ******. the mlb is the poster child for failed testing procedures. with past and present stars taking the 5th or admitting to using peds, baseball is the last field you should have picked. so much for your brain capacity. and that "crackhead" has been around the sport and has inside info. i would take his opinion over yours and your bulky baseball stars. the nfl mma mlb nba they all have an agenda. mlb knew it had a major problem and stuck its head in the ground. while stars were hitting homers out of the state. more stringent testing is needed in all sports. for the good of the game.

[Laborer]

They are getting properly tested, their just not getting what that crack head floyd sr. thinks is proper testing. But then again, who takes medical advise from a crack head anyway? I'll stick with the NFL, NBA, NHL, MMA, and MLB. Urine testing seems to be working just fine for them. Looking at it from ur point of view though I think you'll have to excuse me since I don't smoke crack, I seem to have this nasty habit of using my brain. My bad bro.

so the olympics guys aren't using their brains. amazing how other people think too highly of their so-called brains...

[richardt]

"I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] Mayweather wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted!" - Manny Pacquiao, 2 weeks before the margarito fight.

Case closed!

[SluggerFan]

"I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] Mayweather wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted!" - Manny Pacquiao, 2 weeks before the margarito fight.

Case closed!

I am right there with you richardt!!! I was thinking that exact same thing to find out you beat me to it!!

[WESS]

I am right there with you richardt!!! I was thinking that exact same thing to find out you beat me to it!!

Simpletons......

This is "he said she said". Talking accomplishes nothing in a "business". Pac and Floyd can talk all day long, it wont change the fact.

Yet signing a contract stating the obvious is what should have been done by Pac/Arum/Floyd.

Arum (Floyd's former boss) knows better than anyone on how to make or break a fight with Floyd. Its obvious what his agenda was and is and Floyd has nothing to do with it.

So yeah, how about a 40 year old Mosley. Should be a good fight. NO OST. Why would there be? Neither guy has EVER tested positive for PEDS.... no point right?

Pac wont even get in the ring with the undefeated WBC WW Champion let a lone JMM at 140-147. How do we expect Pac to get in the ring with Mayweather?

Nothing you or anyone can say will justify Pac hand selecting certain fighters AT certain weight classes AT certain weights.