Shane Mosley? Seriously?

[Ishy Aytan]

Mosley was at his peak after the Oscar win. Thats when he was the best he'd ever been. He was the best fighter in world.

By 2009/2010, Mosley was the best welterweight because of the Margarito win as Margarito was considered the no1 guy at 147 after he beat Cintron and Cotto consecutively.

[IMDAZED]

You came off like Mosley was still a very good fighter because of his ranking in the beginning of this thread, so that quote seemed odd to me.

How did he get that ranking? I wouid infer that he was still a very good fighter based on the fact that he beat the **** out of Antonio Margarito and thus, got a high ranking. Does that mean he was as good as he was in 2000? No. In that same fashion, Antonio Margarito was considered the world's best welter after stopping Cotto - and was still an excellent fighter - but in no way did I ever think he was as good as he was in the middle of the decade. In fact, I posted on several posted on several occassions right after that Cotto bout that Tony was slowing down and didn't look as sharp as he did against Clottey, for instance. Some rankings are deserved, some aren't. In both of these cases it was deserved. But that doesn't mean that they were better than they were years before.

[deejd]

Yes, a shot Mosley stopped a guy who has never been stopped before. Shane Mosley is a great fighter, but if the match had happened 5 years earlier Margarito may not have made it out of the first round and Mayorga sure wouldnt have made the fight as competitive against a prime Shane. Im against Pac fighting Mosley so again not sure what kind of rebuttal you were expecting by bringing it up. I also in no way downed Mosleys career I just stated his skills have slipped since he turned 33, not an unusual occurrence for a fighter. I also happen to enjoy watching Mayweather.

You stated that "Mosley was shot way before he fought Margarito..." You clearly sound like a Pac faithful with that statement, yet you don't realize that in the process of besmirching Mayweather's win against Mosley, you've thrown Mosley under the bus as well.

Whether you condone Pac-Mosley is irrelevant at this point because everybody, without Pac shades on, sees that it's a sham if happens to get made, so why not try to **** on Mayweather since Pac's getting thrown in the fire? Mosley was a "decent" win for Mayweather, preposterous.

[THE REED]

How did he get that ranking? I wouid infer that he was still a very good fighter based on the fact that he beat the **** out of Antonio Margarito and thus, got a high ranking. Does that mean he was as good as he was in 2000? No. In that same fashion, Antonio Margarito was considered the world's best welter after stopping Cotto - and was still an excellent fighter - but in no way did I ever think he was as good as he was in the middle of the decade. In fact, I posted on several posted on several occassions right after that Cotto bout that Tony was slowing down and didn't look as sharp as he did against Clottey, for instance. Some rankings are deserved, some aren't. In both of these cases it was deserved. But that doesn't mean that they were better than they were years before.

Thats where we differ... you are infering he was still a very good fighter based off a performance a year and a half ago.

If Mosley fought Mayweather in May of 2009... we would be on the same page.

I don't argue the ranking... I know how and why he was ranked that highly, and I also don't blame Mayweather for fighting him, I think Floyd did exactly what he should of done after the Berto fight fell through.

My problem is his in-ring ability was inflated by his ranking based of something that happened a year and a half ago.

But, we already went over this.

[deejd]

Pac vs Mayweather.....

The only logical answer and yet, Mosley is being pursued... The sad part; It generates financially?????

Right. Take the tests.

[IMDAZED]

Thats where we differ... you are infering he was still a very good fighter based off a performance a year and a half ago.

If Mosley fought Mayweather in May of 2009... we would be on the same page.

I don't argue the ranking... I know how and why he was ranked that highly, and I also don't blame Mayweather for fighting him, I think Floyd did exactly what he should of done after the Berto fight fell through.

My problem is his in-ring ability was inflated by his ranking based of something that happened a year and a half ago.

But, we already went over this.

Maybe yes, maybe no. But the reason why Mayweather gets full credit from me is because that was the great unknown. Sure, the 15 months mightve affected Shane but no one could know that for sure. Shane couldve just as easily showed up no different, having stayed in the gym and kept himself in excellent shape. In fact, there were many questions about Floyd prior to that bout as he had fought one lightweight in 3 years and no welter of Shane's caliber ever. So the risk-reward was just. Today, we have the benefit of hindsight.

[deejd]

Mosley is a fast slugger to me.

Anywho.

The way Margarito looked against Cotto, and the way Mosley looked against Mayorga... it was actually kind of hard to see Mosley doign what he did to Margarito.

Everyone is a genius after the fight.. but before the fight, there was maybe 5% of the board thinking Shane would actually win...

But Mosley turned the switch on, and Margarito looked like a dead man.

I've always liked Mosley, and even after his performance against Mayorga combined with Margs against Cotto, I thought Mosley was going to receive a beating and call it a career. That's why I have trouble grasping how someone can state that Mosley was "shot" way before the Margarito fight, in hindsight.

[Bastian Loc]

Mosley was at his peak after the Oscar win. Thats when he was the best he'd ever been. He was the best fighter in world.

By 2009/2010, Mosley was the best welterweight because of the Margarito win as Margarito was considered the no1 guy at 147 after he beat Cintron and Cotto consecutively.

Yes, this is absolutely right.

Mosley has effectively been shot since the second forrest fight. Ever since then, he lost his killing instincts which is what made up most of his effectiveness.

He struggled all throughout the 2000's after the gift decision in the Oscar rematch and looked downright bad in most of his fights.

The Margarito win was a fluke, like when the Clippers beat the Lakers.

Doesn't make them better than the Lakers, it just meant they had a good night.


It was a **** win for Fraud, it would be a **** win for Manny. No difference at all.

Artificial rankings don't mean anything. Mosley has been done for a long time.

[deejd]

Only a slow thinker like you would somehow make a connection to this and your statement that Margarito might not have made it out of the first round if he had fought Mosley in 2005. Only you.

Apparently he saw something we didn't in those espn appearances by Mosley that year.

[THE REED]

Maybe yes, maybe no. But the reason why Mayweather gets full credit from me is because that was the great unknown. Sure, the 15 months mightve affected Shane but no one could know that for sure. Shane couldve just as easily showed up no different, having stayed in the gym and kept himself in excellent shape. In fact, there were many questions about Floyd prior to that bout as he had fought one lightweight in 3 years and no welter of Shane's caliber ever. So the risk-reward was just. Today, we have the benefit of hindsight.

And then comes the Mora fight, where he seemingly looked the same against a much less capable fighter than Mayweather... and that fight took place only 4 months after...

Because you're right.. Floyd could of had EVERYTHING to do with the way Mosley looked... But I think it was a combination of both.

But, like i said before... I don't blame Floyd for fighting him, he did what he should of done.