Comments Thread For: Marquez Taunts Pacquiao With Shirt, Schaefer Jabs Arum

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

marquez vs pac at any weight above 135 is a suicide mission.

[Bastian Loc]

Pac is not "technically" improved, he is just matched against guys that make him look better than he is.

Even Willie Swindler can look like a two fisted dynamo when he's hitting a heavy bag.


Against boxers, he'll always look off balance and amateurish.

Big deal, he can throw a right hook, woooooow..... its not like he's a pro fighter or anything..

Oh wait...

[fabie]

As usual nice analysis Fabie,

I agree that Pac has made several improvements since his last fight with JMM. I think he always had the Rt hook, combo punching, body punching, uppercut, and defensive head movement ala mike Tyson in his arsenal but Roach made him focus on his strengths earlier in his career w/c were the straight Lt, double and single rt jabs.

The developments I've seen are improved foot work, punching in angles, ability to see/expect punches coming which has improved his ability to take a punch, 45 degree RT hook/upper cut, short Lt Cross, and lead Lt Straight. Over the past 2 years Pac's ability to combine all these skills has made him a far superior boxer/slugger than pac in his days as a feather wt.

As such, even though I think Pac would destroy JMM, I think JMM will be a more exciting fight than any of Pacs recent matches.

As an avid boxing fan as yourself, would you want to have an actual point of comparison to pacs development and test his new skills against the same legendary opponent or do you think fighting: berto / bradley / alexander / moseley is a more appropriate test of Pacs improved skills?

Thank you.

I think many of the non-Pacquiao fans still wouldn't want to acknowledge Pacquiao's leaps and bounds. They still think of the old status quo when the last time Pacquiao fought Marquez.

Geez.

If that is the case, then why wouldn't Marquez try the same thing and venture into the heavier weight divisions? Answer? Because he cannot compete on heavier weight divisions. He cannot take their punches and cannot hurt bigger fighters. Simple.

As with the immediate future, I have created on MY TAKE ON PACQUIAO'S RADAR thread...

I think that in the light of your questions, ALL BOXERS POSE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES to Pacquiao. Everyone is a test. Even Marquez is still a test albeit more predictable now because WE HAVE A REFERENCE POINT FROM TWO PREVIOUS FIGHTS.

As with the others, Pacquiao right now is simply dominating that the only fighter who could really test Pacquiao is MAYWEATHER.

Now I will not go low so far as to just pick Pacquiao all the way and simply refused to be labeled into these *****S-******* feud. My joy is to watch the fights and see them without due allegiances.

I have created a thread also (long written posting) of MY TAKE WITH MAYWEATHER V PACQUIAO THREAD for details.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Pac is not "technically" improved, he is just matched against guys that make him look better than he is.

Even Willie Swindler can look like a two fisted dynamo when he's hitting a heavy bag.


Against boxers, he'll always look off balance and amateurish.

Big deal, he can throw a right hook, woooooow..... its not like he's a pro fighter or anything..

Oh wait...

amatuerish & off balance?

what like marquez taking mini naps on the floor 4x to pac's none?


funny how marquez fans like to marginalize pac's skills yet complains that the fight should take place at a lower weight.

Resume>Skills

Pac's skills added with the rest of his arsenal>Marquez skills added with the rest of his arsenal.

[stick&move]

I think at 140. Marquez only goes up 5lbs and Pac comes down.
Pac only weighed 144 for Margarito, so he should be able to make
that comfortably. On top of that. Having it at 140 is also a good
opportunity to set up a fight with Alexander/Bradley or Maidana/Kahn.

If Team Pacquiao can't see the Marquez fight is the
best fight then something is wrong with their business
sense. Marquez/Pacquiao has a HUGE opportunity to
sell well.

140 sounds fair. JMM will tag Pac with precise counter combos at any weight.

what is your opinion about this scenario:

since both fighters rehydrate to 145-148 on fight night, why not make it a welter wt chapionship fight. Both guys dont have to dehydrate to make wt, both guys will weigh the same on fight night, and JMM can take Pacs title?

Either 140 or 147 is a fair fight to me since they will both weigh the same on fight night. But I see more advantages for both fighters at 147. I would like to see JMM have the same advantages pac has like eating breakfast and lunch before weighing in, and not having to stress or dehydrate to make weight.

[Bastian Loc]

amatuerish & off balance?

what like marquez taking mini naps on the floor 4x to pac's none?


funny how marquez fans like to marginalize pac's skills yet complains that the fight should take place at a lower weight.

Resume>Skills

Pac's skills added with the rest of his arsenal>Marquez skills added with the rest of his arsenal.

Pac is just a physical beast, but he's not a great fighter like Marquez. He gets by on intangibles and maybe roids, but nobody will ever mistake him for a craftsman.

Big deal, he dropped him 4 times. That's four rounds out of 24.

The rest of those rounds mostly belong to the better fighter.

[Blooper]

i wish this fight happens @ 140.

cause i'm gonna put everyone who bets on jmm all in.

[stick&move]

Thank you.

I think many of the non-Pacquiao fans still wouldn't want to acknowledge Pacquiao's leaps and bounds. They still think of the old status quo when the last time Pacquiao fought Marquez.

Geez.

If that is the case, then why wouldn't Marquez try the same thing and venture into the heavier weight divisions? Answer? Because he cannot compete on heavier weight divisions. He cannot take their punches and cannot hurt bigger fighters. Simple.

As with the immediate future, I have created on MY TAKE ON PACQUIAO'S RADAR thread...

I think that in the light of your questions, ALL BOXERS POSE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES to Pacquiao. Everyone is a test. Even Marquez is still a test albeit more predictable now because WE HAVE A REFERENCE POINT FROM TWO PREVIOUS FIGHTS.

As with the others, Pacquiao right now is simply dominating that the only fighter who could really test Pacquiao is MAYWEATHER.

Now I will not go low so far as to just pick Pacquiao all the way and simply refused to be labeled into these *****S-******* feud. My joy is to watch the fights and see them without due allegiances.

I have created a thread also (long written posting) of MY TAKE WITH MAYWEATHER V PACQUIAO THREAD for details.

Looking forward to reading that thread Fabie. Since I'm a newbie and dont know how to find older threads, it would be much appreciated if you can reply with a link.

Thanks guy

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Pac is just a physical beast, but he's not a great fighter like Marquez. He gets by on intangibles and maybe roids, but nobody will ever mistake him for a craftsman.

Big deal, he dropped him 4 times. That's four rounds out of 24.

The rest of those rounds mostly belong to the better fighter.

pac's a creative & highly skilled offensive fighter. only ignorant psudo boxing analyst & overgrown infants would think otherwise. He's on the opposite end of the spectrum.

That's why pac is more decorated as a boxer than marquez & has a better resume & is ranked higher than marquez on the ATG list. Heck, marquez doesnt even make the list.

hall of fame yes, but ATG no.

Pac has surpassed marquez in every which way.

& there's nothing you or the *****s can do about it.

NOTHING.


NOnewhatsoever.


that's your predicament marquez fans.

deal with it.

[Frogs!]

pac's a creative & highly skilled offensive fighter. only ignorant psudo boxing analyst & overgrown infants would think otherwise. He's on the opposite end of the spectrum.

That's why pac is more decorated as a boxer than marquez & has a better resume & is ranked higher than marquez on the ATG list. Heck, marquez doesnt even make the list.

hall of fame yes, but ATG no.

Pac has surpassed marquez in every which way.

& there's nothing you or the *****s can do about it.

NOTHING.


NOnewhatsoever.


that's your predicament marquez fans.

deal with it.

tru dat.

what's worse is if they fight again, it's only gonna get worse for marquez.

he's gonna end up changing to a shirt that read...

'i beat pacquiao twice. the 3rd fight wasn't really me.'