Discrediting Pacquiao (my thoughts and opinions)

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you look at Manny pacquiao's career up to the Marquez II fight and then you look at post Marquez II when Manny became a superstar one can make an argument the Manny Pacquiao's accomplishments post Marquez II is seriously overrated and very well promoted



saying that there is no denying that Manny was a great boxer pre Marquez II

Spot on my dude I agree %100 with everything u said! WELL DONE!

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Pac is the top fighter in boxing right now
*******s run this site
a lot of sensitive girls don't like that
Marquez fans are crying little bitches
Floyd fans are crying little bitches
Cotto fans are crying little bitches
it's all in good fun
the more they whine, the more we laugh :laugh:

nyahahahhaha! "ang pikon = olats" is the name of the game!

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you look at Manny pacquiao's career up to the Marquez II fight and then you look at post Marquez II when Manny became a superstar one can make an argument the Manny Pacquiao's accomplishments post Marquez II is seriously overrated and very well promoted



saying that there is no denying that Manny was a great boxer pre Marquez II

I will believe what you said above if you can tell me which fighters between 126-135 in Pacquiao's era could beat the fighters Pacquiao fought above 135 (Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey) like Pac did in one sided fashion. Real talk otherwise you are just a **** butt hurt *****.

[Ryannn]

you look at Manny pacquiao's career up to the Marquez II fight and then you look at post Marquez II when Manny became a superstar one can make an argument the Manny Pacquiao's accomplishments post Marquez II is seriously overrated and very well promoted


saying that there is no denying that Manny was a great boxer pre Marquez II

its pretty hard for pac to live up to what he did in the lighter weights. he had a record of 5-1-1 against jmm, marquez, and barrera. that's hard to top

but pacquiao still did pretty amazing things after his rematch against marquez.

upset against oscar after climbing two weight divisions, winning a record breaking 4th lineal title against hatton, coming back to welterweight to beat the number 1 or 2 guy in cotto.

clottey is more of a "meh" win.

3 out of his last 4 fights were good-great wins, no matter how you spin it.

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Spot on my dude I agree %100 with everything u said! WELL DONE!

Spot on for what? Read my post above and tell me which fighter you think can do what Pac did if that was just so easy and a product of careful match making. come on tell me.

[JDezi4]

1) Pac is draining his opponents by asking for catchweights
2) He fights boxers coming off from a loss
3) He cherry picks his opponents
4) He fights shot opponents
5) He's on steroids/peds
6) Ariza's shakes / Pac has no knowledge what he puts in there
7) And finally... his fights are fixed

The reality is Pac doesn't do each of these things on ALL of his opponents, he simply has done one or 2 on each of his opponents (excluding PED's and Ariza shakes, unproven). Don't take that the wrong way, it's just facts.

steroids/peds:

If it peds, why in the hell dont we see his brother, bobby pacquiao dominating too? I mean, they can be the smaller Asian version of the klits!! That, and we would've seen more Filipino boxers.

Now I don't believe this one, but the possibility is there. Ur simply assuming Manny's brother, as well other Filipino's r just dying to cheat their way into stardom. Just becuz (hypothetically) Manny is cheating doesn't mean his brother and every other Filipino boxer will follow suit. Mosley cheated, u don't see black fighter after black fight getting caught using steroids. Same with Vargas. Just becuz he did it doesn't mean every Mexican is doing it now.

But speaking about peds, I'm asking you guys WHEN, did Pac started using peds/steroids?! Is it when Ariza joined team pacquiao? Or before?! Because before Ariza, Pac was dominating his opponents anyway!!

Again, Pac dominating before Ariza came doesn't mean he's not on roids (though I don't think he is). What people forget wut steroids do. They don't give u ability, they simply make ur ability better. By Pac dominating the featherweight division, it clearly showed he was a great fighter. What steroids would've done was merely make him better than great.

Out of all the excuses, the most 'believable' are catchweights. Yes, team pacquiao asks for them, but isn't that kind of... recent? Since y'know, Pac is moving up weight divisions? I mean catchweights ARE a part of boxing.

And Pac is (contrary to popular belief) actually a super/feather/light/weight.
BUT... I heard recently from a floyd fan that "he's finally fighting guys his size, cuz before he fights smallers guy".
That... is another damn excuse.

Draining ur opponent is actually legit. It was probably the worst thing u could do to ur opponent without it being a illegal. Not that it's genuinely wrong, but the fact that ur fighting an opponent that has a disadvantage should take away from the fight a bit, yet it doesn't seem to for Pacquiao. And I'd say Pac's walking around weight even back when he was a featherweight is somewhere between Jr. Welter and Welter. So he really didn't have to fight Cotto at a catchweight.

And the excuse of him fighting boxers coming off a loss, or they are just shot? Well then, who IS he suppose to fight instead of hatton, or cotto, or margarito? Is it Martinez? or maybe Pwill?!

So at the moment, who IS he suppose to fight? If he fights Pwill, and won, I'm pretty sure the excuse will be "oh becuz Pwill was weight drained".

I don't see why he couldn't fight Martinez or Paul Williams for the same belt he's fighting Margarito for.

That's another thing I want to point out. The "double standards" argument.
When Floyd beat Mosley, *****s were praising him saying;
"Well he beat Mosley so he's better than Pac. Even Roach told Mosley that he's too good for Pac."

Well what if Pac has fought Mosley in May instead of Floyd? ...and won?

*****s: "Mosley was shot"

See?... these damn double standards are pissing me off.

Double Standards go both ways. *******s r saying Mosley was shot too, but before that they were saying Floyd was going to get beat by Mosley, and before that they were saying Floyd was afraid to fight Mosley. Yet Roach openly ducked a Mosley/Pacquiao fight. Simply put, if ur gonna attack one side for it, u should attack the other.

And of course Biased fans will do this. The reality is the extinction of *******s and *****s will be the only way to end that kind of talk.

I agree with everything u say after this...

Although I will point out that, even back in Ali's and Robinson's era people were skeptical about how good they really were. The difference is back then, Steroids and Xylocaine were non-existent. We know for sure that was raw talent. Today, those things do exist and do increase performance. So therefore the excuses r there. Do u think all those white people that hated Ali would've been giving him full credit for his accomplishments if steroids existed back than?

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The reality is Pac doesn't do each of these things on ALL of his opponents, he simply has done one or 2 on each of his opponents (excluding PED's and Ariza shakes, unproven). Don't take that the wrong way, it's just facts.



Now I don't believe this one, but the possibility is there. Ur simply assuming Manny's brother, as well other Filipino's r just dying to cheat their way into stardom. Just becuz (hypothetically) Manny is cheating doesn't mean his brother and every other Filipino boxer will follow suit. Mosley cheated, u don't see black fighter after black fight getting caught using steroids. Same with Vargas. Just becuz he did it doesn't mean every Mexican is doing it now.



Again, Pac dominating before Ariza came doesn't mean he's not on roids (though I don't think he is). What people forget wut steroids do. They don't give u ability, they simply make ur ability better. By Pac dominating the featherweight division, it clearly showed he was a great fighter. What steroids would've done was merely make him better than great.



Draining ur opponent is actually legit. It was probably the worst thing u could do to ur opponent without it being a illegal. Not that it's genuinely wrong, but the fact that ur fighting an opponent that has a disadvantage should take away from the fight a bit, yet it doesn't seem to for Pacquiao. And I'd say Pac's walking around weight even back when he was a featherweight is somewhere between Jr. Welter and Welter. So he really didn't have to fight Cotto at a catchweight.



I don't see why he couldn't fight Martinez or Paul Williams for the same belt he's fighting Margarito for.



Double Standards go both ways. *******s r saying Mosley was shot too, but before that they were saying Floyd was going to get beat by Mosley, and before that they were saying Floyd was afraid to fight Mosley. Yet Roach openly ducked a Mosley/Pacquiao fight. Simply put, if ur gonna attack one side for it, u should attack the other.

And of course Biased fans will do this. The reality is the extinction of *******s and *****s will be the only way to end that kind of talk.

I agree with everything u say after this...

Although I will point out that, even back in Ali's and Robinson's era people were skeptical about how good they really were. The difference is back then, Steroids and Xylocaine were non-existent. We know for sure that was raw talent. Today, those things do exist and do increase performance. So therefore the excuses r there. Do u think all those white people that hated Ali would've been giving him full credit for his accomplishments if steroids existed back than?

If you look at it closely most of the people discrediting Pacs wins are mostly *****s or Floyd fanboys. We know Pac started his Pro Boxing career at the age of 16 beating full grown adult men and a boxing champ at the age of 19 is a big accomplishment already. *****s are butt hurt that is why they made all kinds of way to discredit Pacs achievements. You may wonder why they did not do it to other fighters only to Pacquiao. It because Pac overshadowing Floyd in the process and taken him out of the picture. In short they just a bunch of jealous butt hurt girls fan club! BWAA made Pac FOTD and thats has only one meaning leaving Floyd many miles behind in votes by his fellow Americans!

[JDezi4]

If you look at it closely most of the people discrediting Pacs wins are mostly *****s or Floyd fanboys. We know Pac started his Pro Boxing career at the age of 16 beating full grown adult men and a boxing champ at the age of 19 is a big accomplishment already. *****s are butt hurt that is why they made all kinds of way to discredit Pacs achievements. You may wonder why they did not do it to other fighters only to Pacquiao. It because Pac overshadowing Floyd in the process and taken him out of the picture. In short they just a bunch of jealous butt hurt girls fan club! BWAA made Pac FOTD and thats has only one meaning leaving Floyd many miles behind in votes by his fellow Americans!

Random..........

[IronDanHamza]

cotto >>>shane...pac fought the better ww than floyd ever has!

Not at the time they fought, Shane was better and a more live opponent. But that isn't the point, the point is if Pacqiauo had fought Shane, people would have no choice but to say Pacqiauo fought the #1 Lineal Champ at 147, period.

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Random..........

Random? You mean Floyd random blood testing or Floyd OST? There is no way you can call that random testing when you know you gonna be tested for two months! Random testing like the Olympic athletes where Floyd copied his OST they will never know when they gonna be tested. Real talk.