My response to *******s and *****s

[winky's right]

This is my unbiased analysis of the proposed May/Pac super-fight. Both fighters have various arguments to why they are the favorite. I'll present them as follows:


PRO-PAC ARGUMENTS:

1. The south-paw argument

Mayweather's previous struggles against slick, speedy southpaws work in Pac's favor. Will May's shoulder-roll be somewhat neutralized because of this?


2. The overwhelming argument

How will Mayweather cope with the workrate, speed, angles, relentlessness and warrior heart of Pac?


3. The Kentucky Floyd Chicken argument

Some think Floyd is genuinely scared of Pac. Being scared of an opponent could not possibly be good thing.


4. The "cherry-picking" argument

Some believe Floyd is a ducker and hasn't stepped up to genuine threat. They believe Pacquiao is breed of fighter that Floyd has never fought.

5. The Mayweather is past-time argument

This argument gained light after the Mosley fight. Some sub-arguments of this argument are: his legs are slower, his reflexes are slower (round 2 Mosley fight), he is past his prime.




PRO-MAY ARGUMENTS:

1. The Marquez argument

I personally think this is a strong argument. Pac really struggled against the technical brilliance of JMM, so how will he fare against the greatest (in my opinion) technician to ever step in the ring?


2. The blood-taking argument

With the (somewhat baseless) speculations of Pac using PEDs, many think he wouldn't be the same fighter with these stringent testing methods.


3. The undefeated argument

May's personal favorite argument to use in interviews. "41 have tried, 41 have failed." Pac has lost 3 bouts with some believing he should have lost more (Marquez I&II are controversial)


4. The Pacquiao defense argument (Related to the Marquez argument)

It's no secret that Pac takes hits, a lot of hits. How will this dubious defense fare against the "precision-perfect" fists of the one of the greatest counter-punchers of all time?


5. The "cherry-picking" argument

Some believe Pac (or perhaps I should say Roach and Arum) has been fighting either washed-up, dehydrated fighters that have been coming off the back of career defining losses [Cotto, Hatton, possibly Clottey, now Marg].

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So there you have it guys, my observation of the arguments people are using when fantasizing about this fight. I'm sure I missed some, so feel free to add arguments in the mix.


My conclusion: it's close. Nonetheless, if I had to beat I would bet on May. I think the "Marquez" and "Pacquiao defense" arguments are quite strong. Just my two cents!

[JDezi4]

The South Paw argument doesn't really hold water in this fight considering the 2 words u used, "Slick Southpaw". Goes along with the Pacquiao defense argument, Pac has very little, if any, defense at all. He's damn sure not "slick".

That being said, May's best chance to beat Pac would be to stick and move... PERIOD. Do not stand still for one second. I don't think his defense would hold up against Pac's onslaught. I doubt he has anything like Joshua Clottey's turtle defense, and that's the only stand still defense that would work against him.

However, sticking and moving is what Floyd does best. IDK... I'd buy it.

[bojangles1987]

Pac is an incredible offensive machine, Mayweather is an incredible defensive machine. Those two strengths will cancel each other out a lot, and it will come down to who is simply a better fighter and wants it more.

[JDezi4]

This isn't math. They won't cancel eachother out.
Reality is an offensive machine means nothing if it has nothing to hit.

[Mega Eggot]

For some reason De La Hoya got a split against Mayweather. I still can't figure out how they came up with that result. It was clearly Mayweather. Anyways, maybe they were impressed with De La Hoya's flurries? It's possible crowd noise may sway the judges.

[starkiller]

Pacquiao's footwork is so under-appreciated by *****s. Pacquiao can make his opponents miss and counter them, if you're judging Pacquiao off his fight with Clottey then you'll be surprised how great Pacquiaos footwork can be.

[GrandpaBernard]

This is my unbiased analysis of the proposed May/Pac super-fight. Both fighters have various arguments to why they are the favorite. I'll present them as follows:


PRO-PAC ARGUMENTS:

1. The south-paw argument

Mayweather's previous struggles against slick, speedy southpaws work in Pac's favor. Will May's shoulder-roll be somewhat neutralized because of this?

Floyd's fought 6 southpaws in his entire career and beat all of them. They, Zab Judah, won a grand total of 2 clear rounds against Floyd.

pac isn't slick at all.

Floyd figured out Judah's angles so well, that he was able to shoulder roll off Judah's left hand to the body by the 5th round.

Mayweather's all time great right hand, lead left hook, and ability to fight in the pocket cancels out any southpaw advantage.

pac has more trouble with precisely timed and accurate counter-punching than Floyd does with lefties.

2. The overwhelming argument

How will Mayweather cope with the workrate, speed, angles, relentlessness and warrior heart of Pac?

Floyd's already dealt with a fighter who threw 120 punches against him in the past. He forced that guy to quit on his stool.

Everyone who has fought Floyd tried to throw a lot of punches and pressure him. He's very well versed in this game and will easily lead the dance.

For some reason De La Hoya got a split against Mayweather. I still can't figure out how they came up with that result. It was clearly Mayweather. Anyways, maybe they were impressed with De La Hoya's flurries? It's possible crowd noise may sway the judges.

Oscar was able to bully Floyd onto the ropes and steal rounds with flurries with his ATG jab, size, and chin. manny won't be having no 15-20 pounds over Floyd or taking the punches as well as Oscar. Floyd fought Oscar with too much respect.

Floyd learned his lesson in the Oscar fight after winning 9 rounds but walking away a SD. He now knows the risk of letting opponents steal rounds with activity. This is why he now throws a hook and gets off the ropes whenever his back is near the ropes. He did this maneuver in the Marquez and Mosley fights.

[Mega Eggot]

Oscar was able to bully Floyd onto the ropes and steal rounds with flurries with his ATG jab, size, and chin. manny won't be having no 15-20 pounds over Floyd or taking the punches as well as Oscar. Floyd fought Oscar with too much respect.

Floyd learned his lesson in the Oscar fight after winning 9 rounds but walking away a SD. He now knows the risk of letting opponents steal rounds with activity. This is why he now throws a hook and gets off the ropes whenever his back is near the ropes. He did this maneuver in the Marquez and Mosley fights.

It's fair to say that that the outcome of this fight will be determined by what happens in the center of the ring, where both fighters are most comfortable and where Mayweather shines brighter than anyone in the sport. But at some points in the fight, both fighters will have had their backs against the ropes. Pacquiao doesn't need to be a bigger fighter to be the bully in a fight. His quick feet, flurries, power and angles can get his opponent there. Hatton didn't have the same activity, but he had quick feet and respectable power. Mayweather still has to move and pick his spots. He threw a check hook(?) that wobbled De La Hoya when he was against the ropes, so yes, Mayweather is still dangerous there.

With Marquez and Mosley, they don't have the same "activity" as Pacquaio. Their punching intervals are wider. Mayweather has more time to pick his spots.