Thomas Hauser: The Mayweather-Pacquiao Negotiations

[Maidana vs Rios]

Looks like Al/GGMarquez/Bernardo has decided to spam my thread. I'm cool with it though.

Only bitches use the ignore list.

[Vito Corleone]

Looks like Al/GGMarquez/Bernardo has decided to spam my thread. I'm cool with it though.

Only bitches use the ignore list.

So, what’s the deal?

This is a “my word?vs. “his word?controversy and you can obviously choose the side you feel is more trustworthy, but take these facts into consideration:

*The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.

*The “gag order?provision also came from Arum.

Hell, everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations?has come from Arum?br />
I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations.

As mentioned here: “Let’s Stop Playing the Bob Arum Game ,?this concept of floating false rumors to the media to sabotage future negotiations and influence public opinion is nothing new to Arum’s repertoire.

So, until someone official from Team Mayweather actually acknowledges talks between both sides, I hope you join me in taking all the Arum talk with a huge grain of salt.

[baracuda]

So, what’s the deal?

This is a “my word?vs. “his word?controversy and you can obviously choose the side you feel is more trustworthy, but take these facts into consideration:

*The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.

*The “gag order?provision also came from Arum.

Hell, everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations?has come from Arum?br />
I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations.

As mentioned here: “Let’s Stop Playing the Bob Arum Game ,?this concept of floating false rumors to the media to sabotage future negotiations and influence public opinion is nothing new to Arum’s repertoire.

So, until someone official from Team Mayweather actually acknowledges talks between both sides, I hope you join me in taking all the Arum talk with a huge grain of salt.

here's some more facts:

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[kadyo's]

The last paragraph summarizes it all.

"The fight will happen if Mayweather wants it. If he’s afraid of Pacquiao, it won’t. "

[tesla_power]

But Thomas' article is factually wrong. Because Ellerbe did exactly what he was saying Ellerbe did NOT do.

Ellerbe came forward and said no negoitiations are taking place.

Isn't that right, Tesla?

Hauser said Ellerbe denied the negotiations. It is stated in the article so I don't know what you mean by your post.

Are you implying that Ellerbe is saying the truth? Now, I can understand that no deal was ever agreed and that would mean Arum/Haymon/Ross is lying. But "no negotiations" is almost unbelievable.

1. Gag order
2. De la Hoya video
3. a 3 week deadline splashed over the internet and tv without any response from Pbf camp.

Let us say we go by quotes
1. Arum -- negotations thru Ross then Haymon as Pbf rep, no response from pbf camp
2. Floyd -- not thinking of boxing , vacation
3. Ellerbe -- no nego
4. Jeff -- drug testing
5. Sr -- Money
6. Roger -- moving his furniture

Taking all of their quotes equally:
No. 2 would lead credibility to no. 1 (lack of response). No. 1 , 4, 5 basically threw out No. 3.

Is that right Don Vito?

[big_james10]

This story comes from a man who has not followed this story, knows nothing about what has been happening and is writing a column after the fact based on the garbage he acquired from the false reports put out by Arum. Leonard Ellerbe did make a statement that there were no negotiations taking place. Hauser made it sound like Ellerbe never said anything -- likely because he didn't know about the statement since he has not been following this story. He also says Floyd is scared, a ridiculous statement if he knew a damn thing about either boxer or their abilities. I would be willing to bet that Hauser couldn't name two of either fighter's last five opponents without looking it up. This is just another story from a sports writer who is jumping on the bandwagon of a big story when he doesn't have a clue what is going on.

[Vito Corleone]

Hauser said Ellerbe denied the negotiations. It is stated in the article so I don't know what you mean by your post.

Are you implying that Ellerbe is saying the truth? Now, I can understand that no deal was ever agreed and that would mean Arum/Haymon/Ross is lying. But "no negotiations" is almost unbelievable.

1. Gag order ( You never heard it from anyone but ARum)
2. De la Hoya video (DEnied immediately. By both Oscar and Richard)
3. a 3 week deadline splashed over the internet and tv without any response from Pbf camp. (Why would I respond to a deadline I'm not part of?)

Let us say we go by quotes
1. Arum -- negotations thru Ross then Haymon as Pbf rep, no response from pbf camp (Greenburg wouldn't back up Arum; Scaefer said no negotiations took place)
2. Floyd -- not thinking of boxing , vacation
3. Ellerbe -- no nego
4. Jeff -- drug testing (doesn't speak for Floyd)5. Sr -- Money (doesn't speak for Floyd)
6. Roger -- moving his furniture (doesn't speak for Floyd)

Taking all of their quotes equally:
No. 2 would lead credibility to no. 1 (lack of response). No. 1 , 4, 5 basically threw out No. 3.

Is that right Don Vito?

This is too easy to refute

[tesla_power]

This story comes from a man who has not followed this story, knows nothing about what has been happening and is writing a column after the fact based on the garbage he acquired from the false reports put out by Arum. Leonard Ellerbe did make a statement that there were no negotiations taking place. Hauser made it sound like Ellerbe never said anything -- likely because he didn't know about the statement since he has not been following this story. He also says Floyd is scared, a ridiculous statement if he knew a damn thing about either boxer or their abilities. I would be willing to bet that Hauser couldn't name two of either fighter's last five opponents without looking it up. This is just another story from a sports writer who is jumping on the bandwagon of a big story when he doesn't have a clue what is going on.

Wow. Did you just put Hauser in the same level as Ronnie or Mayo?

[big_james10]

The article is missing the fact that arum lied and said he spoke with GB and hayman and it was approved.

It is missing a lot of facts. But, why ruin a good story with facts. That is Fox News motto and also the motto of any "sportswriter" writing a column about Floyd Mayweather.

[Vito Corleone]

Leonard Ellerbe: Report that Mayweather-Pacquiao talks could resume Tuesday 'ridiculous'
Published: Monday, May 10, 2010, 6:45 PM Updated: Monday, May 10, 2010, 9:38 PM
David Mayo | The Grand Rapids Press
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Cory Olsen | The Grand Rapids PressLeonard Ellerbe, left, on Monday said initial pay-per-view numbers show Floyd Mayweather will gross about $40 million for his May 1 fight against Shane Mosley, which would be the second-highest purse in boxing history.Floyd Mayweather’s adviser vehemently denied an Associated Press report Monday that talks for a Manny Pacquiao fight could resume as soon as Tuesday.

The report was based on an interview Monday with Freddie Roach, who trains Pacquiao but is not involved with the Filipino star in a negotiating capacity.

Share Roach’s remark turned into an international story, which Leonard Ellerbe dismissed as "ridiculous."

“Ain’t nobody thinking about Manny Pacquiao, Bob Arum or Freddie Roach,?Ellerbe said. “Floyd isn’t thinking about none of them, and there ain’t no negotiations starting, period. Floyd is just coming off a great win. He’s not thinking about any of them.?br />




Ellerbe: Team Mayweather Is Not In Negotiations For Pacquiao Bout
By Paul Magno - June 14, 2010 | Email the author Quick, somebody inform Bob Arum and Team Pacquiao that they’ve dialed the wrong number and are not in negotiations with Team Mayweather after all.

They’ve obviously reached an impostor who has somehow conned them into thinking that they are dealing with Floyd’s representatives. I mean, what else could be the answer? Bob Arum has been releasing succulent insider tidbits about the ongoing negotiations between both camps for the last several weeks. Despite the “gag order?imposed on both parties, we’ve heard about hammered-out blood testing issues and offers from Abu Dhabi worth a camel for Arum and “gazillions?for the right to host the fight.

All of this must come as a surprise to Mayweather adviser and spokesman, Leonard Ellerbe, who has publicly stated that nobody has contacted him or anyone from Team Mayweather to even begin negotiations for a Pacquiao bout.

Speaking to David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press, Ellerbe went on record as saying that there have been no talks taking place and that Mayweather is enjoying his time off after beating Shane Mosley via one-sided unanimous decision last month.

Big L had denied it time and again. Why did Arum never say anything when Leonard denied in the press THREE times?