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Then I'll talk Plasterito with you.
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Can you undelete it? Or at least PM me the contents? I put some damn work into that.
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Originally posted by BostonGuy View PostIDK how such a seemingly black and white issue can be so distorted. Was he caught with illegal padding or plaster of paris? If it was just the illegal padding then why do I constantly hear ppl say "it was plaster?"....
The pads had traces of Plaster of Paris on them:
Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements, state Department of Justice says
March 26, 2009 | 3:09 pm
The hand wrappings confiscated from former world welterweight champion Antonio Margarito minutes before his scheduled title defense against Shane Mosley in January contained calcium and sulfur, two of the primary elements of plaster of Paris, a state Department of Justice laboratory reported in documents obtained by The Times today.
Hardened gauze pads that were inserted inside the wrappings around Margarito's knuckle area were seized Jan. 24 after Mosley's trainer ****m Richardson objected to their use.
Margarito proceeded to lose his title in a ninth-round technical knockout by Pomona's Mosley, and the California State Athletic Commission subsequently revoked the licenses of the Tijuana fighter and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, and the pair will likely not be allowed to fight in the U.S. until next year.
A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen. The report was dated March 19. "The commission's decision appears to be supported by that report," said Karen Chappelle, the state supervising deputy attorney general for licensing who urged the California commission to revoke the fighter and trainer's licenses. "The only things that are allowed in hand wraps are gauze and tape and those items aren't gauze and tape."
Chappelle said Margarito and Capetillo have yet to appeal their revocations, although Margarito promoter Bob Arum has said he'd like the boxer to return to the ring in Mexico later this year.
Arum had no immediate response to the findings, saying, "I'd have to see [the report]."
Plus the Pads were hardened, so it's going to make him punch harder.Comment
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Thanks Warped...Comment
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Pre-made? So he knew was cheating?Originally posted by warp1432 View Post
Where are these quotes from? I'd love to read it all.Comment
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If they need only oxgyen to make plaster, why didn't find plaster?Originally posted by warp1432 View Post
Did they transfer the wraps in an oxygen tight container? No.
I could probably find calcium and sulfur elements under my computer right now if I wanted to.
Note the bold. Thats the infraction. Not the fact that there was plaster, cuz' there wasn't. It was just cuz' he had the pads, which were made of ROLLED UP GAUZE.Comment
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So what you're saying is the CSAC are a bumbling bunch of fools? Not that it isn't possible, but is that what he's hoping to prove in court?Originally posted by Saucy Jacky View PostComment
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That were still hardened. The pads were harder giving Margarito an extra advantage. He cheated.Originally posted by Saucy Jacky View Post
Plain and basic common sense.Comment
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The most definitive work on the Margarito saga.
Antonio Margarito and Trainer Javier Capetillo’s Licenses Revoked
By Gabriel Montoya
February 10, 2009
Despite having no test results to determine exactly how or if the knuckle pads confiscated by the California State Athletic Commission deputies prior to Antonio Margarito’s welterweight title fight with Shane Mosley last month were tampered with or not, Margarito and long-time trainer Javier Capetillo’s boxing licenses were revoked today in a five hour hearing before the state commission. The decisions were voted in separately by 7-0 unanimous votes. Citing that “the Justice Department does not view [testing the wraps] as a high priority as they are seriously backlogged with murder and assault cases,” and that the final test results would not be ready until “mid-march, California’s Supervising Deputy Attorney General Karen Chappelle initially asked that a lifetime ban be considered before being told that only a suspension of indeterminate time or a license revocation were the only allowed penalties.
The distinction between a suspension and a revocation is that suspensions generally have a time limit and then are lifted when said limit if fulfilled. With a revocation, the parties must re-apply in a year’s time but a reinstatement is not guaranteed. As one commission member stated, “a revocation can last much longer than a year.”
What initially took place on the night of January 24, 2008 was supposed to be routine. As is standard, before a bout, a deputy is assigned to each fighter. This deputy’s job is to be with that fighter and observe them from the time they enter the arena to the time he or she is handed over to the doctors following the bout. They are in the dressing room and are charged with observing all preparations including the hand wrapping process. In Margarito’s case, his deputy was Che Guevara, a veteran of some “150 fights.” Prior to having his hands wrapped, Guevara informed Mosley’s head trainer ****m Richardson that the process was about to begin and Richardson, as per the rules, came into the Margarito dressing room to observe Javier Capetillo prepare Margarito’s hands. From the get go, Richardson objected to Capetillo’s use of tape directly on Margarito’s hands. Guevara informed Richardson that this was allowed per the CSAC’s rules. However, where Capetillo was placing the tape on the wrist was a subject of debate. Following two attempts (the second of which was discarded because Capetillo had used too much tape and was “crisscrossing the tape” which is again, against the rules of the CSAC), Capetillo finally met Richardson’s and the inspector’s standards. Thus, the right hand of Margarito was wrapped though not inspected and initialized, as is custom. Mr. Guevara stated that he prefers both hands be wrapped before he finishes signing off on them.
Capetillo then began to work on the left hand. When it was time, he grabbed the knuckle pad (a wrapped piece of gauze bandage made into a pad to protect a fighters’ knuckles) and began to put it in place on Margarito’s hand. At this time, Richardson asked to inspect the pad with his own two hands. Richardson, according to Guevara, felt an irregularity and the inspector then felt the pad for himself. Inside, chief athletic inspector Dean Lohuis found a hidden layer of tightly wrapped gauze that looked according to Guevara, “old and used. Tightly wrapped.”
“It was not hard as rock,” he said. “But firmer than regular gauze. There was old, dried blood on it. It was not consistent with new gauze.” It also felt “wet.”
Only Inspector Mike Bray described the pad as having a “white substance on it. I touched the substance and it was hard to the touch. It looked like plast caster or maybe a thicker type of white out that you use for paper. I then placed the pad in a box to maintain custody of the pad.”
Under the unified of the Association of Boxing Commissions, which are used for all bouts and are consistent with most commission’s rules regarding hand wrapping, no water or foreign substance may be applied to the wraps.
At this point, Richardson asked that the right hand wrap be removed. Capetillo, already “agitated” (a description used by the testifying inspectors Mike Bray, Che Guevara, as well as David Perada) by Richardson dictating to him about how to wrap his fighters’ hands, protested. At this point, according to the testimony of the inspectors, Margarito raised his right hand and offered his right hand to be inspected. According to the deputies, Margarito said in broken English, “Look at my hand. Feel it. There is nothing in it.” Margarito, in his testimony, would refute that citing he does not speak English though he acknowledged he did hold up his hand for inspection and offer it willingly.
Dean Lohuis, Mike Bray, and Richardson conferred about removing the right hand wrap for inspection. Lohuis asked Guevara as well as inspector David Perada, who was also present if the hand had been signed off on. When it was determined it had not been properly inspected, the wrap was removed and thrown on a table behind Capetillo. A second, similar hidden knucklepad was then discovered. It was also placed in the box and was given
The box of pads, its contents estimated by the inspectors to have been touched by at 7-10 people at this point, was then taken to Mosley’s dressing room. It was then handled by Mosley’s lawyer, Richardson again, and another unnamed party. Mosley’s lawyer and Richardson then photographed the pads. The box, which was open on one side, was taped shut and signed by Dean Lohuis at the request of Mosley’s attorney. The box was then given to Lohuis. It was then passed on to Bruce Rasmussen whose job that evening was to hold all the fighters’ urine samples in a sealed bag. He was given the box for safekeeping. Upon receiving the box, he returned to the commission officials room where he allowed the “8-10” deputies present to inspect the pad, at least 3 of whom “reached in and did a pinch-type thing with the pads inside the box.” Though, Mr. Rasmussen expressed regret that he allowed such crucial evidence to be handled in this way. It was an act he did not inform Lohuis of when he put the box back in Lohuis possession to go “attend to my urine duties.”
When allowed to testify with the use of an interpreter, Capetillo was contrite, taking full responsibility for what he repeatedly referred to as “a mistake.” He repeatedly claimed that He explained that his training bag is used by many of his fighters in the gym. That they will throw in dirty, wet clothing, used gloves, and used hand wraps. He described the hand wraps that he used as “wraps of another, young fighter.” They are used in the gym for protection when “hitting the bag”. Capetillo claimed that in the “confusion and chaos” of the argument over the taping of Margarito’s hands, he became flustered and “innocently grabbed the wrong things. I put the wrong things on.”
Capetillo, who was not allowed to inspect the pads the night of the fight, claimed that when he was allowed to see the evidence the night before the hearing, realized at that moment what had happened.
“It came from the gym,” he explained. “They threw it in my bag at the gym. When I went to see what I was accused of, that’s when I realized.”
Capetillo did acknowledge that the hardened pads would do more damage had they not been found by the commission.
“You pay for your mistakes,” he said. “That’s why I’m here. I’m human. I make mistakes just like you do. That’s why I’m here.”
“I’m here,” he continued, “I’m made a big mistake. I want to right the mistake. I take full responsibility. I did not cheat. It was a mistake. I feel badly for Antonio because he didn’t even know what was going on. Why am I going to hurt him? I’m the one who made a mistake.”
Margarito denied any knowledge or wrongdoing. I don’t feel I cheated,” he said, “ I feel bad. I have never been in a situation like this.”
He cited he has always paid attention to how his hands are wrapped and claimed that Capetillo has been his sole hand wrapper diriong their 11 year career together. During the hearing, he saw the pads for the first time.
“It just looks old. I don’t believe it is anything,” he said.
But upon touching the pads he acknowledged, “It does feel like something.”
Ultimately the commission ruled against Capetillo. Commsiion member Christopher Giza, M.D. who entered the motions against both men, cited in regards to Capetillo “I can understand making a mistake [with one hand], but how do you make the same mistake twice?”
In regards to Margarito, Giva cited CSAC rule 390, which states that a boxer can be suspended or revoked for any conduct damaging to the sport of boxing. “What can be worse?” he asked.
“Ultimately,” he said, “the athlete is responsible for his team, his equipment, and what he puts in his body. You and [Capetillo] worked together for 11 years. You traveled the world together, Capetillo says he has wrapped your hands the same way every time. What other conclusion can we make?”
Following the hearing, Margarito made no comment to the media but stayed for quite awhile signing autographs and posing for pictures with his young fans.
His promoter, Bob Arum, however was not in a smiling mood.Comment
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