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**jbpanama** · 06-28-2010, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by jbpanama View Post

Reason??? BOY knows that the 0 will go,
and serious ASS whippin is in the OFFING!!!!

SUGAR Q, are U paying ATTENTION???

**jbpanama** · 06-28-2010, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by COACH-WEBB View Post

Right. But he is funny, I wanted to laugh a bit more, that is the only reason I engaged him.

WEEB U would rather talk about,
Damaged Goods,and the OVER the HILL CLUB???

**Carpe Diem** · 06-28-2010, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by HyperUppercut View Post

a gag order doesn't mean you sit around and gag on manny's **** all day.

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**jbpanama** · 06-28-2010, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Sugar Q View Post

Yeah your right Pac (Arum) does know the commissioner but PBF is holding the check. Since PBF aint **** let the commissioner hook Pacroid up with a mega-fight. :-)

BOY PUNKS OUT AGAIN, and he
becomes INVISABLE!!!!

**Frank Ducketts** · 06-28-2010, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post

WTF are you talking about? Bro, honestly I am not even trying to be rude. But, why are you acting like such an idiot?

The lineage wasn't broken then, the lineage is only broken when you retire, or move up a weight-class.

Ducking fighters doesn't not take your lineage away. If that is so, then the lineage would be broken when Jack Johnson wouldn't fight Sam Langford, or Jack Dempsey ducking Joe Jeannette. It doesn't work that way man.

You only lose the lineal title, in the ring, retire, or move up weight-classes.

The lineal title was broken when Muhammad Ali retired in 1979. It was picked up by Larry Holmes then it went to Spinks>Tyson>Douglas>Holyfield>Bowe>Holyfield>Moorer>Foreman>Briggs>Lewis>Rahman>Lewis and was broken until Lewis retired in 2004 and is was finally picked up when Wlad beat Chagaev.

Don't be such an idiot and try to learn something. You talking about your old school but sure not acting like it. Because, this youngen apparently knows more about the old school then you.

First off, i'm so glad you're feeling good about yourself lol... Ducking fighters under any rules may not be a rule of broken lineage to YOU lol...but it is to me. You googled your whole argument because Floyd has the WBC title, and you wanted to show that the WBC wasn't lineal ONLY because you are trained to go against anything Floyd says or does. I don't care if you don't like Floyd. you aren't showing anyone here boxing knowledge lol... The titles can be traced. The WBC title is lineal and helps you create your argument lol.

The Doghouseboxing google that you stole and posted here and God knows what other sites you borrowed your arguments from was about as comical as it gets. You almost went word for word lol... The lineage literally isn't broken, but the respect is for the title. Bowe's out right refusal to not fight Lennox broke that respectful lineage along with Foreman being stripped for not fighting who he was supposed to fight.

It is fans like you who want to **** on Floyd daily, and make us real fans believe that Pac is the only 4 time lineal champ in boxing history lol... That **** is a sham to every last boxer who ever fought, and the fact that you argued me down for 30 pages, and still continue argue tells me one thing. Pac being chosen lineal champion at 112 and 130 (real champs lol)was decided by who lol... I never said the WBC title was the only lineal title.

The day that you ever teach ANYONE about this sport is the day of the trifid conquers the world lol...

**Frank Ducketts** · 06-29-2010, 12:03 AM

Here's your boxing knowledge Jerbal Rosales lol:

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Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1
By Cliff Rold

The echoing chorus of drunken Manchester natives is heading across the
pond one more time. An island nation will live and die with its idol.
May 2nd, it will be Ricky Hatton (45-1, 32 KO) defending the lineal
World Junior Welterweight championship against the consensus pick for
pound-for-pound king, Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 KO).

Those two names alone make the fight an event.

It doesn’t need more.

The fight has more anyways.

Beneath the glitter, the razzle-dazzle of it all, there lies some real
history which demands not to be overlooked. Pacquiao isn’t just
challenging for the World Championship at 140 lbs. Pacquiao is
challenging for a unique piece of history.

Defeating Hatton would make Pacquiao only the second fighter ever to
capture some claim to the title in six weight divisions.

More importantly, more significantly, a Pacquiao win over Hatton
arguably makes him the first lineal four-division World Champion in
Boxing’s storied annals.

Others have tried; some have come close enough to make a heck of an
argument. In the weeks leading up to the big fight, this corner will
take a look at the notable fighters who have claimed all or some share
of the World title in four, five and six weight divisions and at the end
of this series allow readers to forecast just how real the history at
hand could be.

**Frank Ducketts** · 06-29-2010, 12:05 AM

The rest of your boxing knowledge Jerbal the googler lol...

Accomplished champions will be contrasted with Pacquiao
over the course of this series:

*_Four Division Claimants_
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Leo Gamez
Roy Jones Jr.*

*_Five Division Claimants
_Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Floyd Mayweather Jr.*

*_And the lone Six Division Claimant_
Oscar De La Hoya*

The closing piece will go a step further, focusing in on fighters who
came close to the feat of four (lineal or otherwise) World titles but
fell short, with special attention paid to the fighter of yesteryear who
might most closely parallel Pacquiao.

And it’s not Henry Armstrong.

Do any of these men make a strong enough case to deny Pacquiao the
history at hand?

We begin of course with Manny Pacquiao. Before any comparison can be
made, close examination of the titles he’s collected is in order. How
legitimate are his claims? What history supports them and how do they
weather the test of time?

*Pacquiao’s Title Resume*

*World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul:* Turned professional at age 16
with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao
would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on
December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a
surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri
Arbachakov in 1997.

History also recognized Sasakul as king.

The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World
championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel
Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s
collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and
outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the
youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a
one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become
under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the
left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the
top honors at 112 lbs.

There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul
who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of
recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too
Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight
months before Pacquiao’s ascension. *Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to
the World Title*

*IBF Jr. Featherweight – TKO 6 Lehlo Ledwaba:* Pacquiao wouldn’t rest
atop the Flyweights very long. Basic biology was pushing Pacquiao up
the scale and in his second defense a body shot from Medgoen Singsurat
ended his reign in the third round. Pacquiao immediately skipped past
both the Jr. Bantamweight and Bantamweight classes, winning six straight
inside the distance.

It sounds better than it did at the time. For most of the world in
2001, Pacquiao was just another obscure Asian fighter who they’d, maybe,
read the name of briefly when he’d won and lost his Flyweight crown.
The world became better informed on June 23 of that year. Often
forgotten, Pacquiao was brought in as a late-substitute to feed the
burgeoning stardom of South Africa’s highly touted Ledwaba, then 33-1-1,
on the undercard of Oscar De La Hoya-Javier Castillejo. Anyone who
bought the card or bought a ticket left with a revelatory sensation.

Showing off violent speed and power, Pacquiao bludgeoned Ledwaba in
one-sided fashion. So impressive was he that HBO’s Larry Merchant began
touting Pacquiao as a top-ten pound-for-pound level guy shortly
thereafter, a prescient observation scoffed at when first made.

As eye-opening as it was, 122 lbs. would represent one of Pacquiao’s
softer claims to a title for a number of reasons.

Budding star or not, Ledwaba was not firmly established as the king at
Jr. Featherweight. Pacquiao’s follow-up to Ledwaba was a foul-filled
unification bout with WBO titlist Agapito Sanchez which ended in a
technical draw and while Pacquiao ultimately made four defenses, none
would come in the division against men who could also viably claim to be
the best like Clarence Adams, Paulie Ayala or Oscar Larios (they fought
later at 130 lbs.). Hindsight says Pacquiao might well have beaten them
all, but they fight the fights for a reason and at 122 those fights
didn’t happen. *Forecast: Hazy, but always nice to win a belt*

*World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera:* If the Ledwaba win
was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some
scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really
seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao
early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man
already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.

Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera
resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings
from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was
trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an
awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t
break the tide.

There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s
claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because
there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title
attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.

They are all wrong.

One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night
as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there,
Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal
titles that

/Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader
could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late
1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning
all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom
“Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when
all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason./

There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title
as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of
Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal
rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all
ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to
officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
*Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title*

*World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez:* Ironically, the path
leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the
same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April
2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs,
thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch
seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up
the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight
arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been
the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged
twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera,
who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier,
set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.

It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a
single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet
another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the
Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it
was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost
everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the
winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first
true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had
been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially
add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
*Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title*

*WBC Lightweight: Pacquiao’s title run, so far, ends with the June 28,
2008 nine-round rout of David Diaz*. It was, overall, his fifth title
in five weight classes. Considering he’s skipped 115 and 118, and
turned professional weight under the Jr. Flyweight limit at 106 lbs., it
marked a span of eight divisions competed across. One fight later, he’d
topple former World Welterweight champion Oscar De La Hoya in a
Welterweight non-title fight already documented enough to expand to a
spectrum of nine weight classes.

Focused here on titles, the Diaz win, like the Ledwaba win, falls into
the category of ‘it’s nice to win a belt.’ Entering the fight, Diaz was
regarded as a mid-level top ten Lightweight at best. The lineal claim
then still rested with Joel Casamayor while there was a populist
sentiment for Nate Campbell. Diaz wasn’t really in the debate and
Pacquiao really didn’t make much of a case to be considered the World
Lightweight champion. Nonetheless, considering the perceived size
difference and Diaz’s past as an Olympian, the devastating nature of the
win was impressive. *Forecast: Hazy to the point of foggy*

So there we are; the Pacquiao bona fides in terms of titles won. Make
no mistake. There is no haze to the claim of Ricky Hatton. He has
never lost at 140 lbs., has only lost once at all to the great Floyd
Mayweather, and defeated a great fighter, Kostya Tszyu, to make his
claim to the throne. Since the Tszyu win in 2005, he’s defended his
title five times but none were bigger than this. Hatton’s claim to the
throne puts Pacquiao in a position to compete with the fighter in the
ring and the history all around it.

**Frank Ducketts** · 06-29-2010, 12:06 AM

How was that learning from YOU Mr. Rooooooooosales lol...!!!???

**jrosales13** · 06-29-2010, 12:18 AM