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    #31
    Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
    P4P wise.

    Honestly Winky has shown flashes in his prime of looking unbeatable. I cant see what Floyd let alone Pac does that stops Winky from landing that jab down the middle and the hook to the body. Winky was a master on defense and arguably has one of the best jabs......ever.

    I cant see Pac beating him at all. Pac would throw and be caught clean. Winky doesnt hit the hardest but he would time Pac and break him down. Not to mention a prime Winky was blazing fast and had legs.
    P4P wise, same height, same reach, same weight, Pac attributes, speed, awkwardness, footwork, movement, and most definitely volume punching would be hell for Winky. It would have him on that turtle shell most of the time. Hell even having Pac as a fellow southpaw might throw off Winky. Different stance, different angles. Winky would be too stationary and will try to walk Pac down. But, Pac won't fear Winky power. Lets not forget what Sam Soliman awkwardness did to Winky. And, Sam didn't have the speed, footwork of a Pac. And, Winky does not have the counter punching ability nor the offensive arsenal or the IMO boxing IQ or being able to adjust to the level of JMM. Plus again the southpaw, righty stance is different...

    I am telling Pac is not this terrible fighter that NSB think he is.

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      #32
      If Pac is accused of avoiding slick african-american fighter so Floyd avoids southpaw too especially with the caliber of Pac.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Big Smoke View Post
        Greatest defensive fighter of all time.

        Debatable between Hagler and Sweet Pea.
        I am the other way. I think defensive is debatable between Pep, Pea, and Locche

        But southpaw not debatable. Whitaker all the way.

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          #34
          Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
          P4P wise, same height, same reach, same weight, Pac attributes, speed, awkwardness, footwork, movement, and most definitely volume punching would be hell for Winky. It would have him on that turtle shell most of the time. Hell even having Pac as a fellow southpaw might throw off Winky. Different stance, different angles. Winky would be too stationary and will try to walk Pac down. But, Pac won't fear Winky power. Lets not forget what Sam Soliman awkwardness did to Winky. And, Sam didn't have the speed, footwork of a Pac. And, Winky does not have the counter punching ability nor the offensive arsenal or the IMO boxing IQ or being able to adjust to the level of JMM. Plus again the southpaw, righty stance is different...

          I am telling Pac is not this terrible fighter that NSB think he is.
          You have to mention in that same token that Winky being a lefty would throw off Pac.

          No one puts Winky in his shell. No one. He goes when he sees fit. Not even hard hitting Trinidad could keep him in his shell. Wnky is NOT Joshua Clottey.

          That fight with Soliman had literally NOTHING to do with him being awkward. It had everything to do with the fact that Winky looked like a cruiser weight. He was out of shape..completely. You know that.

          Winky doesnt have the boxing IQ of JMM? Based on what? Winky is one of the smartest fighters Ive ever seen. Winky cant adjust like JMM ? Again what is this based on?

          Stationary? Prime Winky is not stationary. He had legs and he DID walk people down. Cottos jab troubled Pac. Winky makes him look silly with it. Winky P4P wise is a better fighter than everyone Pac has fought.

          Pac has no defense for jabs at all.

          Lastly I dont think I ever seen anyone call Pac terrible.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Webber676 View Post
            I was watching once again Mayweather vs.Corley fight and Larry Merchant just recall Floyd Mayweather Jr. suggesting to his son's team "Dont ever again match Floyd Jr. with a southpaw fighter" because he has the most trouble with them.

            If Maywather ever accept to fight Pacquiao he will need to put on his best performance to date because Pacman is the ultimate southpaw of all time. In this one I see a competitive match but at the end I see Pacquiao rising his hand in victory. Simply put, Mayweather dont have what it take to keep Pacquiao off him for 12 rounds and for the first time in his career he will face a man that believe he can take him out and have the tools to back it up.
            so, are you giving credibility to what FMS says...or not?

            Just wonderng.

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              #36
              this was before the corley fight gentlemen.....and floyd aint never fought a southpaw like the only 7 weight div champion, 4 lineal,fighter of the decade, the best boxert of our era in manny "the pacman " pacquiao.....dont blame floyd for ducking him......he cant help not to ***** out!

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                #37
                Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                Pernell Whitaker??

                Marvin Hagler?

                Winky?

                Camacho?

                Saldivar??

                Elorde??

                Johnston?

                Galaxy?

                Tendler?

                Flowers?



                You got more catching up on the sport to do young man.

                All those guys are supposed to be greater fighters and,or greater athletes?

                Hagler best wins are against smaller men.

                CAMACHO??

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  You have to mention in that same token that Winky being a lefty would throw off Pac.
                  It could but it couldn't since the awkwardness, movement, volume punching would be what would keep Winky off balance in the defensive mode.

                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  No one puts Winky in his shell. No one. He goes when he sees fit. Not even hard hitting Trinidad could keep him in his shell. Wnky is NOT Joshua Clottey.
                  Tito was passed his prime, and really had one fight against a total different style after coming from a long layoff. But, even so Tito is a dynamic puncher from both hands did not offer the speed, movement, in and out ability and VOLUME PUNCHING that Pac would. That IMO would keep Winky in a defensive shell. Not as much as Clottey but enough for Pac to bank on some rounds.

                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  That fight with Soliman had literally NOTHING to do with him being awkward. It had everything to do with the fact that Winky looked like a cruiser weight. He was out of shape..completely. You know that.
                  Ohhhh it wasn't the awkwardness that gave Winky problem. It was that he was out of shape for a MW fight. Gotcha, why is it that every time Winky has a sub par performance there is always excuses?

                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  Winky doesnt have the boxing IQ of JMM? Based on what? Winky is one of the smartest fighters Ive ever seen. Winky cant adjust like JMM ? Again what is this based on?
                  I don't think he is as smart as JMM. I never really saw any major adjustments in the middle of the fight like JMM has coming from Winky. Matter of fact I seen people adjust to him more than anything.

                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  Stationary? Prime Winky is not stationary. He had legs and he DID walk people down. Cottos jab troubled Pac. Winky makes him look silly with it. Winky P4P wise is a better fighter than everyone Pac has fought.

                  Pac has no defense for jabs at all.
                  P4P wise IMO Winky is not better than Barrera nor JMM. He just not IMO. Again P4P wise.

                  Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                  Lastly I dont think I ever seen anyone call Pac terrible.
                  That is because you probably chose to ignore all the posts that Pac gets ****ted on.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                    You have to mention in that same token that Winky being a lefty would throw off Pac.

                    No one puts Winky in his shell. No one. He goes when he sees fit. Not even hard hitting Trinidad could keep him in his shell. Wnky is NOT Joshua Clottey.

                    That fight with Soliman had literally NOTHING to do with him being awkward. It had everything to do with the fact that Winky looked like a cruiser weight. He was out of shape..completely. You know that.

                    Winky doesnt have the boxing IQ of JMM? Based on what? Winky is one of the smartest fighters Ive ever seen. Winky cant adjust like JMM ? Again what is this based on?

                    Stationary? Prime Winky is not stationary. He had legs and he DID walk people down. Cottos jab troubled Pac. Winky makes him look silly with it. Winky P4P wise is a better fighter than everyone Pac has fought.

                    Pac has no defense for jabs at all.

                    Lastly I dont think I ever seen anyone call Pac terrible.
                    Winky is a feather fisted boring unactive ***** compared to Manny.

                    And hell he was very good fighter.

                    Manny would P.Williams Winky for 6 rounds and stop him if they were same size.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by BillyBoxing View Post
                      Winky is a feather fisted boring unactive ***** compared to Manny.

                      And hell he was very good fighter.

                      Manny would P.Williams Winky for 6 rounds and stop him if they were same size.
                      Yup I agree because the Winky that Williams fought was in his Prime.

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