"EUBANK DUCKED TONEY" "TONEY WOULD OF BEAT EUBANK" comments from a BRIT! haha juyjuy

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Eastman isn't better than any of the opponents I listed on Calzaghe's resume, Joppy isn't better than Eastman(watch the fight), Woodhall almost stopped Holmes with a broken arm - Hopkins didn't come close to stopping the 'washed up' caretaker champion Holmes despite promising beforehand that he'd KO him (he wasn't good enough to do it, he tried his best but failed), DLH and Trinidad were just 'blown-up' Welterweights so they don't count, the others I admit I don't know anything about (that's probably not a good thing ).

Joppy is a three time champion who proved his metal in rubbermatches with Julio Cesar Green. DLH moved up to middleweight and won a fight (keyword WON) against the unbeaten Felix sturm, shortly after knocking out the junior middleweight Fernando Vargas. Trinidad moved up in weight and administered Joppy his first knockout loss, as well as blew the long time middleweight Cherifi out of the water....showing that he belongs at middleweight.

If you really think this "Blown up" issue is so important: Why did a blown up Winky put the hurt on Trinidad? should they have not been equal?

Vanderpool is a tank. He was reknown for his ability to take punishment and use his craftiness to win fights. Echols fight with Hopkins was a career defining moment for Bernard, because he dislocated his shoulder and elected to CONTINUE FIGHTING as opposed to taking a disqualification win.

Mercado was hitman in his own right being extremely hungry for the vacant title after destroying Asprilla who was a decent fighter. He was somewhat on the come up, before Hopkins dealt with him.



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Give me a break! NOBODY in their right mind, by any stretch of the imagination, would think that Toney would anihilate Eubank.

you should post a few Eubank fights in the downloads section

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Trinidad moved up in weight and administered Joppy his first knockout loss, as well as blew the long time middleweight Cherifi out of the water....showing that he belongs at middleweight.

Cherifi is a joke! I used to spar Neville Brown and I had his ticket, I beat him all the time. Neville fought Cherifi and had him down twice in the opening two minutes. I also sparred Howard Eastman and gave him more trouble than Hopkins did! Honestly Eastman isn't that good. I think an under-rated fighter is Richie Woodhall, he was excellent in my opinion, I remember he was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for two years by a certain Mr King! He wasn't aloud his shot until he was injured! And this might make you appreciate Richie - your precious Roy Jones liked him I'll post the article when I find it.

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your precious Roy Jones liked him I'll post the article when I find it.

Come now JuyJuy. Lets not get started on the greatest fighter of our era, and arguably one of the greatest of all time. LOL.



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Oh. And was the Bad Karma to show your dissaproval, or to discourage me from posting further? It turned black, meaning it has little or no effect on my status in reputation.



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Eubank and Toney were both undefeated in over 40 fights by the time 94 was on the scene,Eubank and Toney were due to fight before Toney got beat by Jones.I think it would of been a very good fight,too difficult to call for me.

I have to say Steve Collins was a very underrated fighter,he was very rugged and a real handful but also a very smart tactician.Not until his 30th birthday did he call himself the CELTIC WARRIOR and he turned into a wrecking machine from then.But even early on he was underrated,he knocked out Liles in the amateurs(Liles beat Roy Jones in the amateurs),Collins was absolutely robbed with backtoback losses in Johnsons backyard and Kalambays backyard,those judges should of been shot!Collins was totally robbed on the scorecards,he beat Johnson and Kalambay in their backyards clearly.He almost walked away from the sport after that and only came back because he needed money.Collins beat Watts and Thornton in the 80s,Watts had caused world champ Nunn problems,Thornton had caused world champs Eubank and Toney problems.I remember that Michael Watson was ducking him for years when they were supposed to be fighting for the vacant european titles.Eubank ducked Collins for four years,and Benn chose Barkley/Eubank over Collins in 1990.Nunn ducked Collins for two years,Roy Jones ducked Collins for two years too.McCallum openly admitted that he didnt want anything to do with Collins again because at one point in their fight Collins abandoned his fight plan and just went right after McCallum causing him more problems at the end of their fight than McCallum had ever had,Collins said afterwards that had he gone at McCallum from the start he'd of won and McCallum nodded in agreement.

JJ,Ron Lipton the ref for the Eubank fight says that Hearn came upto him before the fight and said "watch out for Collins hes a dirty fighter who uses the head a lot",and Lipton says he couldnt believe he was saying that about a fighter he promoted.Eubank was looking at a third fight w/Benn and a Jones fight but that shock loss wrecked everything.

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Stevie was a true warrior that's for sure. It's interesting that Toney was IBF middle champ before becoming IBF super-middle champ and Eubank was WBO middle champ before becoming WBO super-middle champ. Then the IBF middle champ Jones moved up and defeated Toney and the WBO middle champ Collins moved up and defeated Eubank. Oh and it's no secret that Jones Jr was scared ****less of Collins! Collins had him screaming to the hills for years.

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Thats right A2 baby Ace Deuce lets ride!!!

[JUYJUY]

And this might make you appreciate Richie - your precious Roy Jones liked him I'll post the article when I find it.

Olympics2000: Boxing (09/08/00)

Richie Woodhall says Olympic success helped launch him on the road to professional glory.



The Telford boxer became one of only a handful of Britons to win an Olympic medal by claiming a bronze at Seoul in 1988.

The achievement gave him the courage to turn professional - a decision which has paid off in a big way.

"The Olympics was the highlight of my amateur career," said Woodhall. "I wouldn't have turned pro if I hadn't done so well.

Offers

"I wanted to go to Barcelona in 1992 and go for gold but, after winning gold at the Commonwealth Games, I was getting lots of offers to turn professional. In the end, I decided to go for it. Everybody was telling me that the gold medal was there waiting for me in Barcelona, but it was always my dream to become a world champion as a pro, all my dreams were fighting as a pro. So I just went for it."

Woodhall was beaten by highly-rated American Roy Jones in Seoul, falling at the semi-final stage.



It was a close contest, Woodhall losing on points but by no means disgracing himself against an opponent whom he now regards as the "best pound-for-pound fighter in the world".

It was a typically gutsy performance from the down-to-earth Englishman, but Woodhall regards his quarter-final victory over Puerto Rico's Ray Rivero as the defining moment of that Games.



"Rivero had won his previous fight with a knockout and put me down after just 20 seconds," recalled Woodhall.

Ideas

"He went away to his corner with his arms in the air, thinking he'd done it again, but I had totally different ideas. I recovered within two or three seconds and went on to box his ears off."

That set up a fight with Jones, who many expected to stroll the gold medal.

But Woodhall, given great support by Great Britain coach Kevin Hickey, was not about to lie down.

"Kevin told me not to settle for bronze," said Woodhall. "I knew I was up against it but I listened to what Kevin told me and went for it. Unfortunately, I wasn't quite good enough."

Jones went on to lose the final in controversial fashion, out-pointed by local fighter Park Si Hun when everyone else in the arena thought he had won comfortably.

Disappointment

But he quickly put that disappointment behind him, enjoying even more success as a professional.

"I've said for a long time that there's only one man who would live with Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns, that one man is Roy Jones Jr. He's a different class, his counter-punches and he stays composed. He can throw you off because he's a little different, his reflexes are frightening at times, I imagine fighters hesitate against him because he has proved his power in the pro's in the past, and also he's pretty fast."

Woodhall would like nothing more than a return against Jones, who is the current undisputed light-heavyweight champion.



But he accepts he must win another world title before he has any chance of fulfilling that particular dream.

"I'd love to fight him again," said Woodhall. "He's light-heavy now and I'm super-middle, so there's not much between us. He'd bring the best out of me that's for sure, I'd love to test myself against him again, I'd give him everything I have to offer and see how he deals with it. I'd love it in there.

"But I'd have to win a world title again to have any chance of earning another crack at him.

"He's the best pound-for-pound fighter out there at the moment and would only be interested in fighting me if he had something to gain."

Jones recalls that Olympic clash some 12 years ago "Woodhall was very good, no doubt about that. He caused me some bother and made me work for it. He's a good fighter, Richie, he's upright but he's difficult and quick-handed. If he could beat Calzaghe then we'll see if we can put something together, as far as I know he's not signed to any TV network unlike Calzaghe so we could try and do something there," said Jones.

Jones added "It's funny, you know, it's like a never-ending conveyor belt of good middleweights you got over there. There was Benn, Eubank, Watson - I would like to of got into that mix when I was a kid. Now there's Calzaghe, Woodhall, both had similar amateur careers to me, I know Calzaghe got screwed abroard like me. I said once that England was the one place I might check in to, because I think that a lot of the bad judging comes from Eastern Europe, Germany, you know."

Injury

Woodhall's hopes of becoming a world champion for a second time have been hit by a back injury.

But he returned to light training this week and hopes to be back in the ring in October.

If he wins that contest, he can start thinking about taking on his good friend Joe Calzaghe in what would be a very competitive and interesting match-up between best of friends.

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Eubank himself has said he probably would have lost to Toney when they were both champions, i know cos i asked the man myself.