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He disabled Michael Watson in their re-match and never was the same again, his heart wasn't in the game from then on, he was just in it for the money! Yes he did make 15 defences Post-Watson, but he didn't attempt to unify (aside from the Benn re-match). This is how blatantly changed Eubank was Post-Watson to Pre-Watson, just these comments - Pre-Watson Eubank said "I'll cross the Atlantic and come home on a white horse with all the belts, I'm 'Simply The Best' and that's a fact!", Post-Watson Eubank said "I believe that if you try to be 'the best of the best', that's just suicide!". See what I mean? In my honest opinion, I think Eubank would of beaten anybody had it not been for that tragedy wrecking him.Last edited by JUYJUY; 07-04-2005, 10:56 AM. -
No it wasn't exciting because Eubank was very rarely behind on points, so he very rarely needed to use his reserve. Eubank would put himself in front 60-54 then spend the rest of the fight doing very, very little other than posing to the crowd or bouncing around the outside of the ring - only doing just enough to win. There were only two occasions when he needed his reserve, against Irishman Ray Close when he was behind on two out of three scorecards going into the final two rounds - Eubank suddenly turned it on out of nowhere and put Close down, forcing it to be scored a draw (he won a re-match the following year, just about doing enough with plenty to spare), and the other time he needed his reserve was against Irishman Steve Collins.. Collins was a late replacement for Ray Close(they were due to have a third fight) and played alsorts of mind games on Eubank at the pre-fight press conference that clearly affected him - going into the final three rounds Eubank was behind on all three scorecards.. but then suddenly it was like the Pre-Watson Eubank had returned as he put Collins down for the first time in Collins' 10-year-career and had Collins out on his feet, Collins was clearly there for the taking but Eubank literally backed off and spent the rest of the round posing to the crowd, purposely allowing the granite-chinned Collins to recover! He'd had terrible flashbacks to when he disabled Michael Watson in such a similar situation and couldn't bring himself to finish Collins off (which he could of done easily), Eubank ridiculously did nothing for the final two rounds and suffered his first ever defeat (after 43 fights unbeaten), but even in defeat Eubank showed that he blatantly had enough in him to win but chose not to - this was obvious to everybody. Although I think Eubank may of thought he had already done just about enough and so just strutted about doing nothing towards the end (because he complained about the judging after the fight), but I'm not sure.Originally posted by jack_the_rippuhLast edited by JUYJUY; 07-04-2005, 10:57 AM.Comment
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Collins was the WBO middleweight champion.
Eubank was long-reigning WBO super-middle champ.
Even though Collins was a World champ in his own right, he was a big underdog for this one. It was supposed to be just another day at the office for Eubank.. but Collins had other ideas.
Round 1 - Eubank
Round 2 - Collins
Round 3 - Eubank
Round 4 - Collins
Round 5 - Eubank
Round 6 - Collins
Round 7 - Eubank
Round 8 - Collins
Round 9 - Collins
Round 10 - 9-8 Eubank (should of been 10-8 Eubank)
Round 11 - Collins
Round 12 - Collins (should of been 10-8 Eubank but the referee didn't catch the knockdown)
The referee said that the atmosphere for this fight in Collins' backyard was even more intense than Ali-Frazier (that he'd also refereed).
After the fight, Eubank threatened to sue the judges and promotor Barry Hearn pulled a gun out on the referee! But the most amazing thing is, Hearn promoted both Eubank and Collins! So obviously Eubank was his big money man and his pet, Collins washed his hands with Hearn afterwards. Hearn pulled the gun out on the referee and filed a very silly complaint that he was rascist against Eubank or some ****. Collins became the most popular Irishman in Britain after this fight because British fight fans were so desperate to see Eubank finally knocked off his perch, from 1988 to 1995 Eubank was detested and despised for his arrogance and annoyingness.
Check this out:
That fight really was a fluke though, I still can't believe Eubank lost it. It was as if God looked down and said "No, not again Chris.. your not winning this one!"Last edited by JUYJUY; 07-04-2005, 11:01 AM.Comment
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JuyJuy. Nobody questions your knowledge of Eubank, or british middleweights for that matter. What is in question is why in the hell you pick him to beat cream of the crop fighters from the States, and why in the hell that extends to other fighters.
Ala claiming that Calzaghe's level of opposition faced supercedes Hopkins. That is absolutely startling.
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Uh it might have something to do with the fact that Eubank was pretty good? He was the RING mag champion in 1991 and 1992, so Eubank was the best in the world. He beat the IBF champion Lindell Holmes for example (who was, wait for it wait for it, American! Wow!) but Holmes' title wasn't on the line only Eubank's title, Eubank didn't just beat him he dominated him. Then he had Toney and Jones Jr avoiding him, they wouldn't let him near them.Originally posted by RunWithKnives
Calzaghe's resume looks like this - Eubank, Brewer, Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Lacy.. decide for yourself wether it's better than Hopkins' or not
Oh and let's not forget Manny Steward's quote: "The last world-class, natural Middleweight that Hopkins fought was Roy Jones, and he lost every round."
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Ok ommitting lacy, who has not demolished Joe yet.Originally posted by JUYJUY
Eastman, DLH, Joppy(3 time world champ), Holmes, Daniels, Trinidad, Echols, Vanderpool, Mercado, and putting up a decent fight with RJJ is much better than your forementioned.
And come on man. You know Lights out would put the hurt on Eubank......and that meaning no disrespect. Toney is an assassin.
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Originally posted by JUYJUYUh it might have something to do with the fact that Eubank was pretty good? He was the RING mag champion in 1991 and 1992, so Eubank was the best in the world. He beat the IBF champion Lindell Holmes for example (who was, wait for it wait for it, American! Wow!) but Holmes' title wasn't on the line only Eubank's title, Eubank didn't just beat him he dominated him. Then he had Toney and Jones Jr avoiding him, they wouldn't let him near them.
Calzaghe's resume looks like this - Eubank, Brewer, Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Lacy.. decide for yourself wether it's better than Hopkins' or not Oh and let's not forget Manny Steward's quote: "The last world-class, natural Middleweight that Hopkins fought was Roy Jones, and he lost every round."
JUYJUY=Chris Eubank
j/k, dont get all crazy on me.
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Eastman isn't better than any of the opponents I listed on Calzaghe's resume, Joppy isn't better than Eastman(watch the fight), Woodhall almost stopped Holmes with a broken arm - Hopkins didn't come close to stopping the 'washed up' caretaker champion Holmes despite promising beforehand that he'd KO him (he wasn't good enough to do it, he tried his best but failed), DLH and Trinidad were just 'blown-up' Welterweights so they don't count, the others I admit I don't know anything about (that's probably not a good thingOriginally posted by RunWithKnives ).
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No offense, but nobody cares about Chris Eubank. Toney would have annihilated him, and everybody knows it.Comment
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Give me a break! NOBODY in their right mind, by any stretch of the imagination, would think that Toney would anihilate Eubank.Originally posted by DiegoFuegoComment
Oh and let's not forget Manny Steward's quote: "The last world-class, natural Middleweight that Hopkins fought was Roy Jones, and he lost every round."
j/k, dont get all crazy on me.
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