What ATG has the biggest chances of KOing a Klitschko?

[Joeyzagz]

Sure, how could he have been KOed in the 1970ies by 2000s-heavies.


Briggs and Morrisson are still from the pre-wall-fall-era. If it proves anything then a) Tyson's era was featherfistier than Ali's era or b) Foreman's chin got stronger the fatter he got (which is the more probable explanation).


By your definition Tyson (70+% KOratio) is "featherfisted" and a win over Prime Tyson would merely add to the "most feather-fisted resume".

Tyson scored KO's in 88% of his wins, and that doesnt include the two NCs where he also scored KOs.

Eddie Chambers has a 51% KO ratio. He honestly should drop 10 lbs and become cruiserweight because that is the most pathetic ratio Ive ever seen. If I was Wlad Id be embarrassed to have gone 12 rounds with him.

Ibragimov has an inflated 77% KO ratio. I say inflated because Lennox has a similar ratio but was able to KO Briggs in only 5 rounds while Ibragimov could not do the same landing at will...

The rest were a bunch of 35 + geezers and shot fighters. Not one of these individuals is as good or as powerful as 1994 George Foreman. Foreman would have the largest reach that Wlad has ever faced, and once that pole hits Wlads chin it's over for Wlad.

Prime Foreman wins in 1 round.

[knn]

Tyson scored KO's in 88% of his wins

Oh, so now after I caught you stating wrong KOratios you suddenly admit that you pulled out an INVENTED definition out of your sleeve that EXCLUDES a fighters LOSSES. How convenient for you to not mention it before.

Now by your definition everyone is a "featherfist" who has not a KOratio like Tyson-WITHOUT-HIS-LOSSES? Yeah, sure. Not only that this is revisionism, but a win over Ali would also add only to the "featherfist-resume", which is ridiculous.

(And by the way most of Ali's opponents also fall into the featherfist category by your definition.)

Ibragimov has an inflated 77% KO ratio. I say inflated because Lennox has a similar ratio but was able to KO Briggs in only 5 rounds while Ibragimov could not do the same landing at will...

Oh, so now you invent ANOTHER definition that suits you: A KORatio is "inflated" if someone needs longer than Lennox (an ATG) to KO someone.

Not one of these individuals is as good or as powerful as 1994 George Foreman.

Pure hater's speculation.

Foreman had only 1 fight 1994: Against featherfist Moorer (6'2'') who managed to wobble Foreman. I already answered that in my post above. Foreman's win against Moorer (a former cruiser) proves nothing how Foreman would fare against Wladimir.

Foreman would have the largest reach that Wlad has ever faced

After inventing of some definitions that EXCLUDE LOSSES now you revert to LIES.

Wlad faced 3 other opponents with Foreman's reach. Incidentally these opponents also OUTWEIGHED Wlad. He KOed all of them.

Prime Foreman wins in 1 round.

Pure hater's comment. Unfortunately for you Prime Foreman KOed only bums in round #1 with the median record of 12-13 and the median weight of 197lbs. You are completely deluded that Foreman could KO Wlad within 1 round.

And since you are such a fan of realistic KORatios: Here is a comparison of Foreman and Wlad:
Long version:
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Short version:
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[Joeyzagz]

Oh, so it's a "Let's-ignore-Tyson's-losses"-KORatio. How convenient for you to not mention that it's your own fabricated definition that you use.

How convenient to invent such a definition that suits your agenda the most.

Now everyone is a "featherfist" who has not a KOratio like Tyson-WITHOUT-HIS-LOSSES. Yeah, sure. Not only that this is revisionism, but a win over Ali would also add only to the "featherfist-resume", which is ridiculous.

(And by the way most of Ali's opponents also fall into the featherfist category by your definition.)


Oh, so now you invent ANOTHER definition that suits you: A KORatio is "inflated" if someone needs longer than Lennox to KO someone.

Im not inventing anything! lol HBO uses KO/Win ratio all the time, and I believe it is essential for a guy like Tyson who is kill, or be killed.

Lennox demolished a prime Briggs, and Ibragimov could not KO a faded version 10 years later. Ibragimov is feather-fisted in every sense of the word and his hardest punches could not dent Briggs at all.

Tony Thompson was a 35 year old man with a 61% KO ratio

Ray Austin was a 36 year old man with a 57 % ratio

There is nothing wrong with being feather-fisted if you are a skilled guy like Mayweather or Muhammad Ali, but the softies Wlad fights are not GOOD at all! He has a horrible resume' post 2005 and if you put a fraction of the scrutiny you use for Ali, Wlad may be the biggest fraud in boxing history. Joe Louis didn't outweigh Billy Conn as much as Wlad did the 209 lb Chambers!

[infamous larryx]

everyone on the list

[wmute]

Complete speculation that Ross would gas. Never happened in 54 fights even against escape artist Chris Byrd.


I never claimed that. Because it's not true. He won because of his chin, but not only because of his chin.


This thread is not about my opinion, but since you ask me: No, Chuvalo has no chance against Klitschko.

Your question was "what ATG could fail to do what Ross Purrity succeeded in?" and I answered: "The chin". My answer is a response to the CURRENT VOTING RESULT which FAVOURS hard hitters (Tyson, Foreman) but does not favour chins (Ali, Holyfield). I merely pointed out that "Maybe you need a chin/defense more than fists as seen by Puritty's example. Of course chin/defense alone (or fists alone) are also not enough, but maybe you need chin/defense more than fists against Wlad.


Sanders and Brewster are ALSO hard chinned.


Jimmy Young _IS_ a bum. He one of the holy grails of CLAYtons ("He calls Jimmy a bum! He calls Jimmy a bum"). 34-19 (11 KOs) IS BUMMY. His real record is actually worse:
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So you replied to me, but you were really replying to the voting results?!?! How about you make a ****ing post about the ****ing results then? instead of wasting my time with your boxing ignorance and boxrec quoting?

Advice for the future: Watch fights, not boxrec

That being said, yes a chin is likely to be important for beating Wlad, just like it's important when facing any hard hitting fighter.

[Vadrigar.]

So you replied to me, but you were really replying to the voting results?!?! How about you make a ****ing post about the ****ing results then? instead of wasting my time with your boxing ignorance and boxrec quoting?

Advice for the future: Watch fights, not boxrec

That being said, yes a chin is likely to be important for beating Wlad, just like it's important when facing any hard hitting fighter.

Forget about this ******. There is no point arguing with someone of a ****** level IQ, because he will always missunderstand your arguments.

**** this silly chinless spineless ALT.

[Devils Advocate]

I would have to say foreman. A big man with big power and nice reach. I think tyson would get murdered ( too small ) and ali would lose by decision.

No way Ali loses this was the man was trained to fight 20 rounds, most heavyweights today can barely make 12 rounds. Ali in his prime tired most men out and they drowned, just look at Foreman he beat himself against Ali but lets pretend he got up and the fight went on 1 more round, Foreman would have been put on a block of ice and there'd be no Foreman Grill lol

[the lumberjack]

Vitali IS an ATG you xenophobic American moron.

Vitali Klitschko:

- has dominated every opponent he has ever faced.

- 38 KOs in 40 wins.

- great chin, never been down.

- has never trailed on the scorecards.

- only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing AND kickboxing.

- is 39 years old now, came back after a 4 year layoff and is still dominating the heavyweight division. His comeback record is 5-0, 4 KOs. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

He never won a world title in kickboxing, he won the Military games which in no way shape or form is consider a world championship

[kidcapo]

I think Tyson and Lewis would Definately KO Wlad and probably Ali, big Bro would too if they weren't related obviously. I also think a prime and hungry Golota would too, I know everyone wont agree but I just think he would, look at what he did to Bowe.
Vitali i think would beat most of those guys but Ali might be a little too slick and might win on points.

[knn]

Im not inventing anything! lol HBO uses KO/Win ratio all the time

You _FABRICATED_ the definition "KOratio = Without losses".
When HBO uses "KOs/Win-ratio" they _call_ it "KOs/Wins-Ratio". They don't call it "KOratio". It's something completely different.

You used the word "KOratio" without revealing that you used a definition that suits your agenda.

Having said that: HBO uses a definition that is pretty worthless. Ever heard of Biko Botowamungu (one of Wladimir Klitschko's opponents)? Why not? By your definition Biko has a higher KOratio than Tyson: won 10 (KO 10), lost 16 (KO 6) = KO/Win-Ratio of 100%.

This is ridiculous (but that's exactly how you are counting). Thus effectively HBO supports guys with losses (US boxers like Evan Fields) while punishing guys with little losses (like Ibragimov or Klitschko).

Ibragimov is feather-fisted in every sense of the word and his hardest punches could not dent Briggs at all.

And you repeat the same nonsense like before. Who cares that Brian Nielsen KOed Lionel Butler faster than Lennox Lewis? Does it mean that Brian Nielsen is a harder puncher than Lennox Lewis? What bollocks.

Not only that you make up stuff as you go ("Ibragimov hardest punch could not dent Briggs"), not only that you want to call Ibragimov "featherfisted" despite his record, you also completely ignore that Lewis vs Briggs II could have been a completely different fight than the first one (as is usually the case).

Tony Thompson was a 35 year old man with a 61% KO ratio. Ray Austin was a 36 year old man with a 57 % ratio

So what? Why do you single out fights? Why don't you compare the whole record or at least, letsay, the last 10 fights of Wlad vs the last 10 fights of Ali?

Come on post the stats about the featherfistedness of opponents of Ali and Klitschko. If you want I can post it for you BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY THE RESULTING DATA and it bites fabricators like you in the butt.

He has a horrible resume' post 2005

"post 2005"? Why do you delete everything prior 2005? Again, no factual basis just pure agenda. Or you started to watch boxing in 2005.

and if you put a fraction of the scrutiny you use for Ali, Wlad may be the biggest fraud in boxing history.

So far I caught you using wrong KOratios (twisted definitions that suit your agenda), making up stuff about Foreman's reach, and deliberately singling out fights (or even excluding whole years), thus if someone needs a lesson in scrutiny then it's you.

Joe Louis didn't outweigh Billy Conn as much as Wlad did the 209 lb Chambers!

Wlad outweighed Chambers by 35 pounds. Clay outweighed Foster by 41 pounds. Larry Holmes outweighed Maurice Harris by 43 pounds. And now what?

And what has Joe Louis to do with anything you said?